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  Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 14:28 -0700
    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 15:00 -0700
      Re: Saving (not files) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-04-30 18:47 -0400
        Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 17:01 -0700
          Re: Saving (not files) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-04-30 21:21 -0400
            Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 19:42 -0700
              Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 19:52 -0700
          Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 19:38 -0700
        Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 19:33 -0700
      Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 19:32 -0700
        Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 19:42 -0700
          Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 19:49 -0700
            Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 20:01 -0700
              Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 20:52 -0700
                Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 06:35 -0700
                  Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:14 -0700
                    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 09:32 -0700
                      Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:05 -0700
                        Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:21 -0700
                          Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:54 -0700
                            Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:11 -0700
                              Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:23 -0700
                                Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:32 -0700
                                  Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:47 -0700
                                    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:54 -0700
                                      Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:35 -0700
                                        Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:25 -0700
                                          Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 15:56 -0700
                                            Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 16:02 -0700
                                              Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:48 -0700
          Re: Saving (not files) Cardinal Basil Hume <Basil.Hume@invalid.invalid> - 2017-04-30 22:59 -0400
            Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 20:07 -0700
            Re: Saving (not files) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 20:49 -0700

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#108811 — Re: Saving (not files)

On 7/8/15, 5:01 AM, in article
6a8d3510-b44d-4f5c-a251-9305a3a1a091@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why must you be "saved"? Saved from what? What does it
> mean to be "saved"?
> 
> Judgement from God looms over each of us. He judges based on
> His standards, His Laws. His is a requirement of perfection. And
> none of us are perfect.
> 
> God will judge everybody when they die. And everyone will be
> found guilty.
> 
> If that was the end of the story, it would be awful. But it's not
> the end. This is where Jesus came in. To save us from judgement,
> God sent another in our place. God transfers our sin to Him, so
> that He is judged, and we are not.
> 
> Jesus literally came here to save us. His name means "God who
> saves" (in the same way Shoemaker means "one who makes shoes).
> 
> God did not leave us abandoned to judgement, but made a way
> out. He made a way to restore us from sin, to save us from
> judgement.
> 
> Jesus is that way. The only way to be saved because He's the
> only one who can take our sin away. And He will receive all who
> come to Him. None are turned away. No not one.
> 
> As such, the only people who will enter into Hell are those who
> would not receive the free gift of salvation, the free offer of love
> extended to all mankind. All races, colors, creeds. No exceptions. But you
> must receive it. You must ask to
> be forgiven.
> 
> Seek Jesus for yourself. Taste and see for yourself that
> the Lord Jesus Christ is good. He will change your life... forever.
> 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Changing topics but it seems safe on this off-topic post.

Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you wish to
continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not, that is fine as
well and no offense is taken.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#108814

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.

I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
about to the point of investing time toward that end.

> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

People are not like garbage trucks.  That's actually very insulting.

The truth is as follows, and there is a direct solution to the issue:

    (1)  People have sin
    (2)  Sin separates us from God, and enables us to listen to the
         enemy of God, rather than to God Himself.
    (3)  Sin condemns a person's soul to Hell.
    (4)  Only when our sin is taken away are we set free from Hell.
    (5)  Only Jesus can take our sin away because of what He did at
         the cross.
    (6)  The person forgiven of sin is no longer under punishment
         for sin, and their judgment is taken away.  It makes them
         alive again spiritually.
    (7)  The born again nature (being alive again spiritually) will
         assert itself in pronounced and wide-sweeping ways in the
         true believer's life, resulting in changes toward the things
         of God and away from the things of this world.

The truth has one voice, "Snit."  It is the voice of Jesus Christ.
I urge you to pursue this and see for yourself if what I say is true
or not.  Your eternal soul depends on it.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108822

On 4/30/2017 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
>> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
>> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
> 
> I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
> must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
> about to the point of investing time toward that end.
> 
<snip>

Rick, don't feed the troll.  And you won't get anywhere trying to get
them halted.  This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
Google doesn't care.

Just killfile him like most of the rest do.  Ignoring a troll like him
is the worst thing you can do to hom.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#108825

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:47:23 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 4/30/2017 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> >> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
> >> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
> >> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
> > 
> > I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
> > must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
> > about to the point of investing time toward that end.
> > 
> <snip>
> 
> Rick, don't feed the troll.

I feel like responding to you is feeding a troll, Jerry.  This
will be my only reply to you on this subject.

-----
Your suggestion, Jerry, falls short of my goal, which was to try
to reach this person and tell them that what they're doing is wrong,
and that they need to cease doing that.  I also taught that if they
don't know what the right thing to do is to investigate Jesus Christ
in the New Testament, because He will show them what to do in all
ways to be right.

> And you won't get anywhere trying to get them halted.

I haven't tried yet, Jerry.  And I refuse to accept it from your
personal authority and assurance that my attempts at action would
fail, fall on deaf ears, or not bear fruit.

I've seen two testimonies recently which disprove guidance like
yours:

    (1)  A young man had started college and was struggling.
         His step-dad told him he should just quit school
         because he'd never be able to graduate, and should
         just drop out now and save the hassle.  Four years
         later he got his diploma, and his step-dad was in
         prison.

    (2)  A woman in my church had gotten pregnant when she
         was in her mid-teens.  From a very poor family, out
         of wedlock with the baby's father out of the picture,
         with no family with education or upward mobility to rely
         upon, she was advised by everyone (including doctors)
         to have an abortion, or to give the child up for adoption.
         She thought hard about it, but wound up keeping the girl.
         She told us today at Sunday School, her happiest moment
         was watching her graduate from college 21 years later.
         It put a stamp on her choice, and all the effort it took
         to get there, those many years later.

We don't know what's possible until we try, Jerry.  And giving up
before we try is ALWAYS wrong.  And trying to do the right things
for the right reasons is NEVER wrong, even if we fail in so doing.

You cannot affect change unless you move.  And the more people
move for what's right in this world, the more right things we have
changing in this world.

> This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
> Google doesn't care.

Everyone posts using a unique MAC address, and this particular poster
is using the same set of names.  And even if they flashed their network
cards often, the sources of those messages could be identified fairly
quickly by a deliberate search.  If, for example, it was some kind of
person intent on doing real harm to a CEO or leader of some nation,
those tools which already exist to track down such people would be
brought to bear to track them down.  We just need to encourage these
Usenet-related entities to act.

And if they won't act, then we need to move in and infiltrate their
organization and implement change from the inside.  And if that's not
possible, then we need to create an alternative which does enable
that kind of filtering so as to provide those who wish to be spam-
free an option which would then be spam-free.

And if we can't move in that way for whatever reason, then perhaps
what's needed is new legislation to make it illegal to post spam to
widely published groups like this because it is a literal theft of
all of our machine and time resources.  We are harmed at large by
such large intrusions, and this is exactly why governments exist:
to protect the liberty of people against such intrusions.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108830

On 4/30/2017 8:01 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:47:23 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 4/30/2017 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>>>> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
>>>> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
>>>> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
>>>
>>> I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
>>> must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
>>> about to the point of investing time toward that end.
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Rick, don't feed the troll.
> 
> I feel like responding to you is feeding a troll, Jerry.  This
> will be my only reply to you on this subject.
>

Your loss, Rick.  But then that's what I would expect from you.

> -----
> Your suggestion, Jerry, falls short of my goal, which was to try
> to reach this person and tell them that what they're doing is wrong,
> and that they need to cease doing that.  I also taught that if they
> don't know what the right thing to do is to investigate Jesus Christ
> in the New Testament, because He will show them what to do in all
> ways to be right.
> 

Troll, meet troll.

>> And you won't get anywhere trying to get them halted.
> 
> I haven't tried yet, Jerry.  And I refuse to accept it from your
> personal authority and assurance that my attempts at action would
> fail, fall on deaf ears, or not bear fruit.
> 

Quite frankly, Rick, that's exactly what I would expect from you.  You
don't care about anyone or anything except your proselytizing.

> I've seen two testimonies recently which disprove guidance like
> yours:
> 
>     (1)  A young man had started college and was struggling.
>          His step-dad told him he should just quit school
>          because he'd never be able to graduate, and should
>          just drop out now and save the hassle.  Four years
>          later he got his diploma, and his step-dad was in
>          prison.
> 

Which proves absolutely nothing except that his dad was wrong.

>     (2)  A woman in my church had gotten pregnant when she
>          was in her mid-teens.  From a very poor family, out
>          of wedlock with the baby's father out of the picture,
>          with no family with education or upward mobility to rely
>          upon, she was advised by everyone (including doctors)
>          to have an abortion, or to give the child up for adoption.
>          She thought hard about it, but wound up keeping the girl.
>          She told us today at Sunday School, her happiest moment
>          was watching her graduate from college 21 years later.
>          It put a stamp on her choice, and all the effort it took
>          to get there, those many years later.
> 

So?  Not all advice is the same for everyone.

> We don't know what's possible until we try, Jerry.  And giving up
> before we try is ALWAYS wrong.  And trying to do the right things
> for the right reasons is NEVER wrong, even if we fail in so doing.
> 

The difference between trying and being an asshole is people who try
know when to stop.  Assholes continue.

> You cannot affect change unless you move.  And the more people
> move for what's right in this world, the more right things we have
> changing in this world.
> 

But you are doing a great job driving people AWAY from God.  Just like
Satan wants you to do.

>> This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
>> Google doesn't care.
> 
> Everyone posts using a unique MAC address, and this particular poster
> is using the same set of names.  And even if they flashed their network
> cards often, the sources of those messages could be identified fairly
> quickly by a deliberate search.  If, for example, it was some kind of
> person intent on doing real harm to a CEO or leader of some nation,
> those tools which already exist to track down such people would be
> brought to bear to track them down.  We just need to encourage these
> Usenet-related entities to act.
> 

The MAC address is only valid for one link - the one between his
computer and his ISP.  It is NOT forwarded to other systems.  And there
are many ways to hide where one is posting from.  That's why hackers are
so successful.

For instance - daily I get dozens of attempts to hack each of my
servers.  There are several indications that it is the same person
trying from different IP addresses - none of them his own, of course.

> And if they won't act, then we need to move in and infiltrate their
> organization and implement change from the inside.  And if that's not
> possible, then we need to create an alternative which does enable
> that kind of filtering so as to provide those who wish to be spam-
> free an option which would then be spam-free.
> 

So you are advocating illegal actions to stop trolling.  It won't work.
And there is a solution - it is called a killfile.

> And if we can't move in that way for whatever reason, then perhaps
> what's needed is new legislation to make it illegal to post spam to
> widely published groups like this because it is a literal theft of
> all of our machine and time resources.  We are harmed at large by
> such large intrusions, and this is exactly why governments exist:
> to protect the liberty of people against such intrusions.
> 
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
> 

Yes, let's see you make it illegal for someone from China using a server
in Brazil to post to a newsgroup server in California.

It ain't gonna happen.  Even if the legislation were there, no
government is going to spend millions of dollars attempting to track
down a troll only because he's annoying.

If that were the case, you would have been in jail long ago.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#108835

On 4/30/17, 6:21 PM, in article oe62ca$iap$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org,
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>> You cannot affect change unless you move.  And the more people
>> move for what's right in this world, the more right things we have
>> changing in this world.
>> 
> 
> But you are doing a great job driving people AWAY from God.  Just like
> Satan wants you to do.

My personal view is the Bible is better understood, as a work of fiction, if
you assume it is written from the point of view of an unreliable narrator
and his followers. But that is just my view, and surely not the intent of
the authors. But whatever people believe is fine by me -- how they treat
others matters.

>>> This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
>>> Google doesn't care.
>> 
>> Everyone posts using a unique MAC address, and this particular poster
>> is using the same set of names.  And even if they flashed their network
>> cards often, the sources of those messages could be identified fairly
>> quickly by a deliberate search.  If, for example, it was some kind of
>> person intent on doing real harm to a CEO or leader of some nation,
>> those tools which already exist to track down such people would be
>> brought to bear to track them down.  We just need to encourage these
>> Usenet-related entities to act.
> 
> The MAC address is only valid for one link - the one between his
> computer and his ISP.  It is NOT forwarded to other systems.  And there
> are many ways to hide where one is posting from.  That's why hackers are
> so successful.
> 
> For instance - daily I get dozens of attempts to hack each of my
> servers.  There are several indications that it is the same person
> trying from different IP addresses - none of them his own, of course.

Still an easy (if not fully effective) way to stop this: Google could listen
to the complaints and kill the accounts. The flooder has noted in other
groups he has been kicked from many other services and that is why he uses
GG.

>> And if they won't act, then we need to move in and infiltrate their
>> organization and implement change from the inside.  And if that's not
>> possible, then we need to create an alternative which does enable
>> that kind of filtering so as to provide those who wish to be spam-
>> free an option which would then be spam-free.
> 
> So you are advocating illegal actions to stop trolling.  It won't work.
> And there is a solution - it is called a killfile.

That, too. And that is what I use. I do not see the posts any more but I
will admit I am not happy they are so heavily focused on me. Nothing I can
do about that though (the two people doing the flooding have been trolling
me for over a decade, the main one doing so without getting any direct
response from me in years... they are not exactly sane)

>> And if we can't move in that way for whatever reason, then perhaps
>> what's needed is new legislation to make it illegal to post spam to
>> widely published groups like this because it is a literal theft of
>> all of our machine and time resources.  We are harmed at large by
>> such large intrusions, and this is exactly why governments exist:
>> to protect the liberty of people against such intrusions.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Rick C. Hodgin
> 
> Yes, let's see you make it illegal for someone from China using a server
> in Brazil to post to a newsgroup server in California.
> 
> It ain't gonna happen.  Even if the legislation were there, no
> government is going to spend millions of dollars attempting to track
> down a troll only because he's annoying.
> 
> If that were the case, you would have been in jail long ago.

Agreed: but Google could look at the complaints I, and I am sure others,
have sent in and kill the accounts.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#108837

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:43:10 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> My personal view is...

The Bible teaches you itself, as it is God's own spirit written down for
man to read.  It is not like other books, but for the soul seeking to know
the truth (whether it leads this way, or that way, to affirm prior beliefs,
or replace them with truth), it will teach a person the truth, because God
is there in the literal words.  When a person seeks the truth, they are
seeking Jesus Christ.

Nobody on the entire Earth can come to Jesus unless God the Father draws
them from within.  And all who are drawn from within will come to Jesus,
repent, and ask forgiveness, and be saved.  The rest will perish.

If you cannot hear His voice is it because you are perishing.  It is the
same for all people

But if you can hear His voice, listen to Him.  He is calling out to save
your soul, and give you eternal life.

-----
The Bible is true.  It is God's own spirit written down.  Jesus is real.
Hell is real.  Sin is real.  Punishment for sin is real.  And the
salvation Jesus offers people is real.

Everyone will know this one day, but for those who find it in this world
they find salvation, and eternal life.  It's why Christians teach people
these things ... so they too have the opportunity to come to know and be
saved before they leave this world, for all who leave this world unforgiven
enter into Hell as the judgment for their sin is solidified in God's own
Courtroom.  There is one punishment for an eternal being guilty of sin:
eternal damnation.  It IS the fate of all people who do not come to accept
Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (John 3:18):

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3-18.htm
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
       not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name
       of the only begotten Son of God.

I can't make you believe this.  That's not my job.  Only God can make you
believe it by changing you on the inside so you can believe it.  My job is
to teach you the truth so that those who are drawn by God will know it,
and move in the right ways in their life leading them to salvation.

If you can hear His call, answer it.  Only you know if you can hear His
call in your inner man or not.

Take special care and heed of this message.  It's given to you for a real
reason.  It's given to you with purpose.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108833

On 4/30/17, 5:01 PM, in article
dd14f943-cb30-4af2-ab43-c74092b67efc@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:47:23 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 4/30/2017 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>>>> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
>>>> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
>>>> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
>>> 
>>> I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
>>> must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
>>> about to the point of investing time toward that end.
>>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> Rick, don't feed the troll.
> 
> I feel like responding to you is feeding a troll, Jerry.  This
> will be my only reply to you on this subject.
> 
> -----
> Your suggestion, Jerry, falls short of my goal, which was to try
> to reach this person and tell them that what they're doing is wrong,
> and that they need to cease doing that.  I also taught that if they
> don't know what the right thing to do is to investigate Jesus Christ
> in the New Testament, because He will show them what to do in all
> ways to be right.
> 
>> And you won't get anywhere trying to get them halted.
> 
> I haven't tried yet, Jerry.  And I refuse to accept it from your
> personal authority and assurance that my attempts at action would
> fail, fall on deaf ears, or not bear fruit.
> 
> I've seen two testimonies recently which disprove guidance like
> yours:
> 
>     (1)  A young man had started college and was struggling.
>          His step-dad told him he should just quit school
>          because he'd never be able to graduate, and should
>          just drop out now and save the hassle.  Four years
>          later he got his diploma, and his step-dad was in
>          prison.
> 
>     (2)  A woman in my church had gotten pregnant when she
>          was in her mid-teens.  From a very poor family, out
>          of wedlock with the baby's father out of the picture,
>          with no family with education or upward mobility to rely
>          upon, she was advised by everyone (including doctors)
>          to have an abortion, or to give the child up for adoption.
>          She thought hard about it, but wound up keeping the girl.
>          She told us today at Sunday School, her happiest moment
>          was watching her graduate from college 21 years later.
>          It put a stamp on her choice, and all the effort it took
>          to get there, those many years later.
> 
> We don't know what's possible until we try, Jerry.  And giving up
> before we try is ALWAYS wrong.  And trying to do the right things
> for the right reasons is NEVER wrong, even if we fail in so doing.
> 
> You cannot affect change unless you move.  And the more people
> move for what's right in this world, the more right things we have
> changing in this world.
> 
>> This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
>> Google doesn't care.
> 
> Everyone posts using a unique MAC address, and this particular poster
> is using the same set of names.  And even if they flashed their network
> cards often, the sources of those messages could be identified fairly
> quickly by a deliberate search.  If, for example, it was some kind of
> person intent on doing real harm to a CEO or leader of some nation,
> those tools which already exist to track down such people would be
> brought to bear to track them down.  We just need to encourage these
> Usenet-related entities to act.
> 
> And if they won't act, then we need to move in and infiltrate their
> organization and implement change from the inside.  And if that's not
> possible, then we need to create an alternative which does enable
> that kind of filtering so as to provide those who wish to be spam-
> free an option which would then be spam-free.
> 
> And if we can't move in that way for whatever reason, then perhaps
> what's needed is new legislation to make it illegal to post spam to
> widely published groups like this because it is a literal theft of
> all of our machine and time resources.  We are harmed at large by
> such large intrusions, and this is exactly why governments exist:
> to protect the liberty of people against such intrusions.

Easier: Google should just kill the accounts. Sure, the flooders would get
new ones but if they were killed quickly it would soon be too much effort.
Google does have SOME safeguards around this: I know when I tested posting
from my gmail account through Google Groups of the two posts one had a
CAPTCHA. Presumably they have these on a good percent of posts... so somehow
the flooders have gotten around this. One said the answer was insomnia and
at least using partial manual work but that seems over-the-top, even for
him. Then again I have no better answer.

Anyone know how often Google asks GG users to prove they are human?

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108832

On 4/30/17, 3:47 PM, in article oe5pbk$hqq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org,
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

> On 4/30/2017 6:00 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>>> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
>>> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
>>> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
>> 
>> I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
>> must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
>> about to the point of investing time toward that end.
>> 
> <snip>
> 
> Rick, don't feed the troll.  And you won't get anywhere trying to get
> them halted.  This isn't the first newsgroup he has posted in, and
> Google doesn't care.

No, they do not. It is frustrating.

> Just killfile him like most of the rest do.  Ignoring a troll like him
> is the worst thing you can do to hom.

Rick contacted me outside of comp.lang.c and spoke of it. I came here and
responded to one of his posts to give him info he said he did not have (my
email). 

There is really nothing else to it.

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108831

On 4/30/17, 3:00 PM, in article
b952ed3b-6a18-4d85-8134-dfde9577a21b@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Elsewhere we talked about my email -- it is on this message. If you
>> wish to continue our conversation privately I am open to it. If not,
>> that is fine as well and no offense is taken.
> 
> I have said what I wanted to say regarding these spam posts.  There
> must be some way to approach an authority and get them halted.  I'm
> about to the point of investing time toward that end.

I have repeatedly reported them to Google. They do nothing.

>> <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
> 
> People are not like garbage trucks.  That's actually very insulting.

Well, depends on how you take the metaphor. As presented in the video I do
not find it insulting, but I am pretty hard to insult. :)

> The truth is as follows, and there is a direct solution to the issue:
> 
>     (1)  People have sin

And cosin! :)

>     (2)  Sin separates us from God, and enables us to listen to the
>          enemy of God, rather than to God Himself.
>     (3)  Sin condemns a person's soul to Hell.
>     (4)  Only when our sin is taken away are we set free from Hell.
>     (5)  Only Jesus can take our sin away because of what He did at
>          the cross.
>     (6)  The person forgiven of sin is no longer under punishment
>          for sin, and their judgment is taken away.  It makes them
>          alive again spiritually.
>     (7)  The born again nature (being alive again spiritually) will
>          assert itself in pronounced and wide-sweeping ways in the
>          true believer's life, resulting in changes toward the things
>          of God and away from the things of this world.
>
> The truth has one voice, "Snit."  It is the voice of Jesus Christ.
> I urge you to pursue this and see for yourself if what I say is true
> or not.  Your eternal soul depends on it.

I respect you having that religious view. Mine is different (for one I am an
atheist). You will not see me attacking you for your religion, nor see me
trying to have you renounce your religion, but I find it immoral for you or
anyone to try to push your religious (or lack of religious) views on others.

Jew. Christian. Muslims. Buddhist. Atheist. Wiccan. Does not matter to me
one bit... what matters to me is how you treat other people.
> 
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin


-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108834

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > The truth is as follows, and there is a direct solution to the issue:
> > 
> >     (1)  People have sin
> >     (2)  Sin separates us from God, and enables us to listen to the
> >          enemy of God, rather than to God Himself.
> >     (3)  Sin condemns a person's soul to Hell.
> >     (4)  Only when our sin is taken away are we set free from Hell.
> >     (5)  Only Jesus can take our sin away because of what He did at
> >          the cross.
> >     (6)  The person forgiven of sin is no longer under punishment
> >          for sin, and their judgment is taken away.  It makes them
> >          alive again spiritually.
> >     (7)  The born again nature (being alive again spiritually) will
> >          assert itself in pronounced and wide-sweeping ways in the
> >          true believer's life, resulting in changes toward the things
> >          of God and away from the things of this world.
> >
> > The truth has one voice, "Snit."  It is the voice of Jesus Christ.
> > I urge you to pursue this and see for yourself if what I say is true
> > or not.  Your eternal soul depends on it.
> 
> I respect you having that religious view. Mine is different (for one I am an
> atheist). You will not see me attacking you for your religion, nor see me
> trying to have you renounce your religion, but I find it immoral for you or
> anyone to try to push your religious (or lack of religious) views on others.

Religion can be pushed upon other people, but nobody can push
Christianity upon another.  True Christianity is not religion,
but it is a transformation.  When a person is forgiven of their
sin, they no longer have sin, are no longer under judgment for
sin, and are then made alive again spiritually.  The old man
passes away, and the new man is born.  Everything changes in that
selfsame instant.

It's different than religion.  It's salvation.  It's what makes
God's offer different than mere religion.  He is offering to save
each person's eternal soul from death, and to restore them to
eternal life.

> Jew. Christian. Muslims. Buddhist. Atheist. Wiccan. Does not matter to me
> one bit... what matters to me is how you treat other people.

It does matter.

It matters because only Jesus Christ can take away sin.  All who put
their faith in something else retain their sin, and will be judged for
it when they leave this world, found guilty, and cast into Hell.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/9-27.htm
    27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this
    the judgment:

I teach these things because there are some that will repent, come out
from the deception of this world, ask forgiveness, and be saved.  The
rest will perish.

If you can hear His voice, listen to Him.  He's calling out to save
you from Hell, to save your eternal soul.  The call is from within,
and not from without, but you will know these words I write are true
when they align with the call He makes to you on the inside, in your
core, the part of you that is personal, distinct, well-known, and
undeniable.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108836

On 4/30/17, 7:42 PM, in article
e1576f6c-5c84-43bb-8c2b-ff60ffe353ae@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The truth is as follows, and there is a direct solution to the issue:
>>> 
>>>     (1)  People have sin
>>>     (2)  Sin separates us from God, and enables us to listen to the
>>>          enemy of God, rather than to God Himself.
>>>     (3)  Sin condemns a person's soul to Hell.
>>>     (4)  Only when our sin is taken away are we set free from Hell.
>>>     (5)  Only Jesus can take our sin away because of what He did at
>>>          the cross.
>>>     (6)  The person forgiven of sin is no longer under punishment
>>>          for sin, and their judgment is taken away.  It makes them
>>>          alive again spiritually.
>>>     (7)  The born again nature (being alive again spiritually) will
>>>          assert itself in pronounced and wide-sweeping ways in the
>>>          true believer's life, resulting in changes toward the things
>>>          of God and away from the things of this world.
>>> 
>>> The truth has one voice, "Snit."  It is the voice of Jesus Christ.
>>> I urge you to pursue this and see for yourself if what I say is true
>>> or not.  Your eternal soul depends on it.
>> 
>> I respect you having that religious view. Mine is different (for one I am an
>> atheist). You will not see me attacking you for your religion, nor see me
>> trying to have you renounce your religion, but I find it immoral for you or
>> anyone to try to push your religious (or lack of religious) views on others.
> 
> Religion can be pushed upon other people, but nobody can push
> Christianity upon another.  True Christianity is not religion,
> but it is a transformation.  When a person is forgiven of their
> sin, they no longer have sin, are no longer under judgment for
> sin, and are then made alive again spiritually.  The old man
> passes away, and the new man is born.  Everything changes in that
> selfsame instant.
> 
> It's different than religion.  It's salvation.  It's what makes
> God's offer different than mere religion.  He is offering to save
> each person's eternal soul from death, and to restore them to
> eternal life.
> 
>> Jew. Christian. Muslims. Buddhist. Atheist. Wiccan. Does not matter to me
>> one bit... what matters to me is how you treat other people.
> 
> It does matter.
> 
> It matters because only Jesus Christ can take away sin.  All who put
> their faith in something else retain their sin, and will be judged for
> it when they leave this world, found guilty, and cast into Hell.
> 
>     http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/9-27.htm
>     27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this
>     the judgment:
> 
> I teach these things because there are some that will repent, come out
> from the deception of this world, ask forgiveness, and be saved.  The
> rest will perish.
> 
> If you can hear His voice, listen to Him.  He's calling out to save
> you from Hell, to save your eternal soul.  The call is from within,
> and not from without, but you will know these words I write are true
> when they align with the call He makes to you on the inside, in your
> core, the part of you that is personal, distinct, well-known, and
> undeniable.

I often wonder if Christians have actually read the Bible... so many seem to
think it is a good source of teaching morality. I find that interesting,
given the actual lessons in it (some moral, some not).

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108839

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> I often wonder if Christians have actually read the Bible... so many seem to
> think it is a good source of teaching morality. I find that interesting,
> given the actual lessons in it (some moral, some not).

Many Christians teach morality.  The Bible is a correct and true guidance
for morality.  It is expected, however, that people who are not yet saved
will not be operating under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit, and will be
operating under the spirit of this world, wrapped up in sin, caught up so
heavily and blindly in it that when they are finally saved they realize
the foul state of their lives when held up next to a Holy, Holy, Holy God.

But it's not for Christians to try and teach morality alone to non-
believers.  Our job is to teach people the need for obeying Jesus Christ,
which is a comprehensive teaching of the foundational knowledge of God's
existence, sin's existence, the nature of man, the nature of the fall of
man, that we are three-fold beings (soul, body, spirit), and that because
of sin we died spiritually and are now under judgment for sin, of the free
gift of salvation from Jesus Christ for those who repent and ask Him to
forgive their sin.

It is a very difficult teaching because everything related to Jesus Christ
is spirit, and people in sin are dead spiritually.  They CANNOT hear any
of it.  Therefore, it is not a Christian's job to make people believe, but
only to speak His words and teach people rightly.  It must be God Himself
who reaches into people and flips the invisible switches and knobs which
make that person then able to hear the message, able to come to Jesus,
able to repent and ask forgiveness so they are saved.

It is entirely an act of God.  He just uses us as parts of the act of
salvation.  But all of it, including our own drawing from within to teach
people about Jesus Christ, comes from Him and His power and authority.

-----
The Bible is divided into two parts:  The Old Testament, and the New
Testament.  The Old Testament focused on Israel and the future coming
of their Messiah.  The New Testament focuses upon Jesus, the Messiah,
and the rejection of the Messiah by Israel, so that we are now in a new
age of grace, the age of the gentiles where all people worldwide can
now be called in and grafted in to the Kingdom.

This time will soon end, and focus will again return to Israel.  But
until that time, the offering of salvation from Jesus Christ is extended
out to all people world-wide.  And all who will seek the truth will be
saved.  The rest will perish.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108844

On 4/30/17, 8:01 PM, in article
560a2ba2-10f6-4fa1-8925-2e00a14e8910@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> I often wonder if Christians have actually read the Bible... so many seem to
>> think it is a good source of teaching morality. I find that interesting,
>> given the actual lessons in it (some moral, some not).
> 
> Many Christians teach morality.  The Bible is a correct and true guidance
> for morality. 

Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches are
ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong in prison.

But that does not mean there are not many good Christians. There are.

> It is expected, however, that people who are not yet saved will not be
> operating under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit, and will be operating under
> the spirit of this world, wrapped up in sin, caught up so heavily and blindly
> in it that when they are finally saved they realize the foul state of their
> lives when held up next to a Holy, Holy, Holy God.
> 
> But it's not for Christians to try and teach morality alone to non- believers.
> Our job is to teach people the need for obeying Jesus Christ,

I would say it is immoral to try to push your religious beliefs on others.
Want to share. Cool. But when you get to the point of pushing or belittling
others for having different beliefs that is immoral.

> which is a 
> comprehensive teaching of the foundational knowledge of God's existence, sin's
> existence, the nature of man, the nature of the fall of man, that we are
> three-fold beings (soul, body, spirit), and that because of sin we died
> spiritually and are now under judgment for sin, of the free gift of salvation
> from Jesus Christ for those who repent and ask Him to forgive their sin.
> 
> It is a very difficult teaching because everything related to Jesus Christ is
> spirit, and people in sin are dead spiritually.  They CANNOT hear any of it.
> Therefore, it is not a Christian's job to make people believe, but only to
> speak His words and teach people rightly.  It must be God Himself who reaches
> into people and flips the invisible switches and knobs which make that person
> then able to hear the message, able to come to Jesus, able to repent and ask
> forgiveness so they are saved.
> 
> It is entirely an act of God.  He just uses us as parts of the act of
> salvation.  But all of it, including our own drawing from within to teach
> people about Jesus Christ, comes from Him and His power and authority.
> 
> -----
> The Bible is divided into two parts:  The Old Testament, and the New
> Testament.  The Old Testament focused on Israel and the future coming
> of their Messiah.  The New Testament focuses upon Jesus, the Messiah,
> and the rejection of the Messiah by Israel, so that we are now in a new
> age of grace, the age of the gentiles where all people worldwide can
> now be called in and grafted in to the Kingdom.
> 
> This time will soon end, and focus will again return to Israel.  But
> until that time, the offering of salvation from Jesus Christ is extended
> out to all people world-wide.  And all who will seek the truth will be
> saved.  The rest will perish.

Those are your beliefs. Cool. I and many others do not share them. That is
cool, too.

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108868

Snit wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Many Christians teach morality. The Bible is a correct and true guidance
> > for morality.
>
> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
> in prison.

I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
authority to set dates for our birth and our death.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108876

On 5/1/17, 6:35 AM, in article
45f99aac-538b-4c53-82fd-b85ed232658a@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Many Christians teach morality. The Bible is a correct and true guidance
>>> for morality.
>> 
>> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
>> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
>> in prison.
> 
> I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
> understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
> instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
> when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
> we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
> authority to set dates for our birth and our death.
> 
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin

The bible was written by different people over thousands of years, edited
and re-edited over that time, and is of course contradictory and a poor
moral guide. With that said, there are many Christians who are wonderful
people -- they look to the good in the Bible and try to live morally despite
what is in their holy book. Heck, the current Pope seems mostly moral and
decent. 

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#108890

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:14:26 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Snit wrote:
> >> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
> >> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
> >> in prison.
> > 
> > I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
> > understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
> > instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
> > when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
> > we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
> > authority to set dates for our birth and our death.
> 
> The bible was written by different people over thousands of years, edited
> and re-edited over that time, and is of course contradictory and a poor
> moral guide.

You ascribe authority to a place it doesn't exist.  God is truth, and
He has all authority in Heaven and upon the Earth.  You suggest the
enemy of God, or man in his fallen state, could in some way corrupt
the Bible and prevent it from being maintained over centuries.  Such
is not possible, for it is God's own word that was given through men
by His Holy Spirit.  Because of that source, it will not be undone.

Those who still seek the truth in 2017 will find it, even in 2017,
and even amongst the many traps and pitfalls the enemy has laid to
ensnare those who will not seek the truth.

But all who press in seeking the truth with a pure and sincere heart
will find it, because God will know they are doing this, and He
personally will lead them to it so they can be saved.

> With that said, there are many Christians who are wonderful
> people -- they look to the good in the Bible and try to live morally despite
> what is in their holy book. Heck, the current Pope seems mostly moral and
> decent. 

Saved Christians are born again, guided from within by God's Holy
Spirit.  They have spiritual life and are able to discern and understand
the things of the spirit, so they are guided by God rightly in this
world.  It means something to them, so they make it real in their life.

It is the reason they are different from the other people in the world.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108910

On 5/1/17, 9:32 AM, in article
de4dc4d3-9c79-4717-8529-51e6dd02b24f@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:14:26 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
>>>> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
>>>> in prison.
>>> 
>>> I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
>>> understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
>>> instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
>>> when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
>>> we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
>>> authority to set dates for our birth and our death.
>> 
>> The bible was written by different people over thousands of years, edited
>> and re-edited over that time, and is of course contradictory and a poor
>> moral guide.
> 
> You ascribe authority to a place it doesn't exist.

Well, nobody knows the specific authors... but it was written over multiple
centuries and edited repeatedly.

> God is truth, and He has all authority in Heaven and upon the Earth.  You
> suggest the enemy of God, or man in his fallen state, could in some way
> corrupt the Bible and prevent it from being maintained over centuries.

I note the fact that the bible has repeatedly been edited. Heck, even look
at the basics: the ten commandments... there is not just one version. And
many of the stories in the bible are taken from older stories.

> Such is not possible, for it is God's own word that was given through men by
> His Holy Spirit.  Because of that source, it will not be undone.

Yet there are different versions. When your beliefs are contrary to
observable facts then I think it is safe to say you will never support your
view. :)

> Those who still seek the truth in 2017 will find it, even in 2017, and even
> amongst the many traps and pitfalls the enemy has laid to ensnare those who
> will not seek the truth.
> 
> But all who press in seeking the truth with a pure and sincere heart will find
> it, because God will know they are doing this, and He personally will lead
> them to it so they can be saved.

A deity who wants me to do things to save myself from his wrath is evil.

>> With that said, there are many Christians who are wonderful people -- they
>> look to the good in the Bible and try to live morally despite what is in
>> their holy book. Heck, the current Pope seems mostly moral and decent.
> 
> Saved Christians are born again, guided from within by God's Holy
> Spirit.  They have spiritual life and are able to discern and understand
> the things of the spirit, so they are guided by God rightly in this
> world.  It means something to them, so they make it real in their life.
> 
> It is the reason they are different from the other people in the world.

You have a lot of pride in your views.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#108915

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:05:19 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> On 5/1/17, 9:32 AM, in article
> de4dc4d3-9c79-4717-8529-51e6dd02b24f@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
> <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:14:26 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> Snit wrote:
> >>>> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
> >>>> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
> >>>> in prison.
> >>> 
> >>> I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
> >>> understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
> >>> instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
> >>> when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
> >>> we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
> >>> authority to set dates for our birth and our death.
> >> 
> >> The bible was written by different people over thousands of years, edited
> >> and re-edited over that time, and is of course contradictory and a poor
> >> moral guide.
> > 
> > You ascribe authority to a place it doesn't exist.
> 
> Well, nobody knows the specific authors... but it was written over multiple
> centuries and edited repeatedly.

You misunderstand.  You ascribe editing authority to a place it does
not exist.  You suggest man could, through corrupt means, either
intentional or non-intentional, alter what God intended for us in
2017 to receive and know from Him of truth.

> > God is truth, and He has all authority in Heaven and upon the Earth.  You
> > suggest the enemy of God, or man in his fallen state, could in some way
> > corrupt the Bible and prevent it from being maintained over centuries.
> 
> I note the fact that the bible has repeatedly been edited. Heck, even look
> at the basics: the ten commandments... there is not just one version. And
> many of the stories in the bible are taken from older stories.

God is the originator.  His precepts were given out since creation.
The enemy spirits at work in this world seek ways to make it seem
like God is not the authority because they rebelled against God,
and they lost, and they are already condemned, and they are trying
to harm as many of us as possible, presumably so that if they make
it bloody enough before God (enough of His Creation is lost to sin)
that God will change His mind and save them, and those people who,
through sin, are today lost.

It won't happen.  God has appointed a day whereby all sin will be
dealt with, and it is very clear in scripture:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/20.htm
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is
       the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
       cast into the lake of fire.

There is no return from that end, which is why God's made a way out,
and warned everybody in advance.

> > Such is not possible, for it is God's own word that was given through men by
> > His Holy Spirit.  Because of that source, it will not be undone.
> 
> Yet there are different versions. When your beliefs are contrary to
> observable facts then I think it is safe to say you will never support your
> view. :)

There are different versions.  But the true version still remains.
And all who seek the truth and pursue it actively with rigor will
find it.  They will not be deceived by the enemy's attempts to
mislead and misguide people seeking the truth.

But for all who only casually pursue the truth, who do not press
in, there are plenty of traps to ensnare them.  You cite just a
few.

> > Those who still seek the truth in 2017 will find it, even in 2017, and even
> > amongst the many traps and pitfalls the enemy has laid to ensnare those who
> > will not seek the truth.
> > 
> > But all who press in seeking the truth with a pure and sincere heart will find
> > it, because God will know they are doing this, and He personally will lead
> > them to it so they can be saved.
> 
> A deity who wants me to do things to save myself from his wrath is evil.

He only wants you to pursue the truth, so that by so doing you will
find His Son (who is literal truth, such that all truth is based upon
Him and who He is), repent, ask forgiveness and be saved.

He does the rest.

He could not have made it any easier ... and still given you a choice.

> >> With that said, there are many Christians who are wonderful people -- they
> >> look to the good in the Bible and try to live morally despite what is in
> >> their holy book. Heck, the current Pope seems mostly moral and decent.
> > 
> > Saved Christians are born again, guided from within by God's Holy
> > Spirit.  They have spiritual life and are able to discern and understand
> > the things of the spirit, so they are guided by God rightly in this
> > world.  It means something to them, so they make it real in their life.
> > 
> > It is the reason they are different from the other people in the world.
> 
> You have a lot of pride in your views.

I have a lot of confidence in God, and in my understanding of scripture.
It has held up to scrutiny over time (my own, and other people's), and
through the Holy Spirit I have received insight into things which have
answered my questions.

He will do the same for you ... IF you press in and seek the truth.

-----
I'm not asking you to trust me.  I'm not asking you to believe me.
I am teaching you the truth, and I implore you to go and see for
yourself if I am correct or not.  If you do, you'll find that I am
correct, that sin is real, judgment for sin is real, Hell is real,
and that Jesus is the only savior given to man because of what He
did at the cross.

Everyone world-wide who seeks the truth will come to this realization
for themselves, because it requires that God reach in and change
things in their inner core man, invisible things, things only God
can change, to be able to receive and understand it.  And all who
are drawn in this way will come to Jesus, repent, ask forgiveness,
and be saved.  Everyone else will not.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/6-44.htm
    44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
       draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/jeremiah/29-13.htm
    13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for
       me with all your heart.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/7-7.htm
    7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
      and it shall be opened unto you:

It's not about religion.  It's not about rules and regulations.
It's not about tithing or belonging to a church.

It's about Jesus Christ.  It's personal.  It's about us and our
sin, and Him forgiving us for it.  It is 1:1 always, though He
then brings us together to become part of a body of Christ, His
workmanship in this world, going out together using the unique
and specialized skills and abilities and gifts He's doled out
to us, so that we, like a body, work together for His purposes.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/12.htm
    Read the whole page ... it takes in subjects:

        (1)  Spiritual gifts bestowed -- like our natural gifts,
             some being smarter, stronger, faster, people also have
             diversity in spiritual gifts, uniquely and specially.

        (2)  Many members, one body -- Like our bodies with the
             specialized parts all working together, yet is it
             one body

        (3)  Spiritual gifts...

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#108929

On 5/1/17, 11:21 AM, in article
81d038af-ad30-406c-90c2-f7e7b00a7e10@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:05:19 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/1/17, 9:32 AM, in article
>> de4dc4d3-9c79-4717-8529-51e6dd02b24f@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
>> <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:14:26 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches
>>>>>> are ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong
>>>>>> in prison.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have studied the Bible.  There are some aspects which cannot be
>>>>> understood by a natural man because the reasoning behind God's
>>>>> instruction is spiritual in nature.  But all of it is understood
>>>>> when God's creation is held under the recognition that God is God,
>>>>> we are His creation, that all people die, and that only God has the
>>>>> authority to set dates for our birth and our death.
>>>> 
>>>> The bible was written by different people over thousands of years, edited
>>>> and re-edited over that time, and is of course contradictory and a poor
>>>> moral guide.
>>> 
>>> You ascribe authority to a place it doesn't exist.
>> 
>> Well, nobody knows the specific authors... but it was written over multiple
>> centuries and edited repeatedly.
> 
> You misunderstand.  You ascribe editing authority to a place it does
> not exist.  You suggest man could, through corrupt means, either
> intentional or non-intentional, alter what God intended for us in
> 2017 to receive and know from Him of truth.

What are you even trying to say? You refer to a set of books that has been
written by people, many unknown, and edited by others. What you are trying
to say about those books is a mystery.

>>> God is truth, and He has all authority in Heaven and upon the Earth.  You
>>> suggest the enemy of God, or man in his fallen state, could in some way
>>> corrupt the Bible and prevent it from being maintained over centuries.
>> 
>> I note the fact that the bible has repeatedly been edited. Heck, even look
>> at the basics: the ten commandments... there is not just one version. And
>> many of the stories in the bible are taken from older stories.
> 
> God is the originator.

Support?


Rest of your cut-and-paste proselytizing snipped, unread.


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