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On 4/30/17, 8:01 PM, in article
560a2ba2-10f6-4fa1-8925-2e00a14e8910@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> I often wonder if Christians have actually read the Bible... so many seem to
>> think it is a good source of teaching morality. I find that interesting,
>> given the actual lessons in it (some moral, some not).
> 
> Many Christians teach morality.  The Bible is a correct and true guidance
> for morality. 

Sounds like you have not read it. I know many of the lessons it teaches are
ones I would never follow, and if others did they would belong in prison.

But that does not mean there are not many good Christians. There are.

> It is expected, however, that people who are not yet saved will not be
> operating under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit, and will be operating under
> the spirit of this world, wrapped up in sin, caught up so heavily and blindly
> in it that when they are finally saved they realize the foul state of their
> lives when held up next to a Holy, Holy, Holy God.
> 
> But it's not for Christians to try and teach morality alone to non- believers.
> Our job is to teach people the need for obeying Jesus Christ,

I would say it is immoral to try to push your religious beliefs on others.
Want to share. Cool. But when you get to the point of pushing or belittling
others for having different beliefs that is immoral.

> which is a 
> comprehensive teaching of the foundational knowledge of God's existence, sin's
> existence, the nature of man, the nature of the fall of man, that we are
> three-fold beings (soul, body, spirit), and that because of sin we died
> spiritually and are now under judgment for sin, of the free gift of salvation
> from Jesus Christ for those who repent and ask Him to forgive their sin.
> 
> It is a very difficult teaching because everything related to Jesus Christ is
> spirit, and people in sin are dead spiritually.  They CANNOT hear any of it.
> Therefore, it is not a Christian's job to make people believe, but only to
> speak His words and teach people rightly.  It must be God Himself who reaches
> into people and flips the invisible switches and knobs which make that person
> then able to hear the message, able to come to Jesus, able to repent and ask
> forgiveness so they are saved.
> 
> It is entirely an act of God.  He just uses us as parts of the act of
> salvation.  But all of it, including our own drawing from within to teach
> people about Jesus Christ, comes from Him and His power and authority.
> 
> -----
> The Bible is divided into two parts:  The Old Testament, and the New
> Testament.  The Old Testament focused on Israel and the future coming
> of their Messiah.  The New Testament focuses upon Jesus, the Messiah,
> and the rejection of the Messiah by Israel, so that we are now in a new
> age of grace, the age of the gentiles where all people worldwide can
> now be called in and grafted in to the Kingdom.
> 
> This time will soon end, and focus will again return to Israel.  But
> until that time, the offering of salvation from Jesus Christ is extended
> out to all people world-wide.  And all who will seek the truth will be
> saved.  The rest will perish.

Those are your beliefs. Cool. I and many others do not share them. That is
cool, too.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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