Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > alt.comp.software.thunderbird > #16648 > unrolled thread

New authorization required for only ONE account

Back to article view | Back to alt.comp.software.thunderbird

Contents

  New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 07:30 -0700
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-14 16:48 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-14 16:53 +0100
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-05-15 00:04 +0000
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-15 12:27 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:32 -0700
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-14 18:01 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-15 10:53 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-15 12:35 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-16 07:46 +0100
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-15 06:22 -0400
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 14:01 -0700
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-16 11:44 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-14 13:52 -0500
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:26 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-14 23:53 -0500
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 00:11 -0500
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-15 09:37 -0400
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Jack Lemmon <Jack.Lemmon@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-15 22:54 +0100
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 18:31 -0700
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 21:50 +0200
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:14 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 22:32 +0200
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:46 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:59 -0700
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 00:02 -0500
              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 23:21 -0700
                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 03:18 -0500
                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 14:23 -0700
                    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 08:10 -0500
                      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 09:08 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-16 10:07 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 10:45 -0700
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-16 11:31 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:12 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 13:47 -0500
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-17 06:13 -0500
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:22 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:10 -0700
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 08:22 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 18:55 +0200
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-18 18:04 +0100
                                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 12:10 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-17 11:30 +0200
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-17 06:28 -0500
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:31 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 11:51 +0200
                                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 08:05 -0700
                                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 18:57 +0200
                                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Operation Sindoor <operation.sindoor@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-18 22:36 +0000
                                    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 20:31 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:18 -0700
                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-15 13:01 +0200

Page 2 of 3 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3  Next page →

#16655

On 2025-05-14 16:30, The Real Bev wrote:
> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is the notice:
> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh

I just get a big dark blue rectangle, no text.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16656

On 5/14/25 12:50 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-05-14 16:30, The Real Bev wrote:
>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>> 
>> This is the notice:
>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
> 
> I just get a big dark blue rectangle, no text.

Pops up whenever the account tries to retrieve email -- I think I have 
it check every minute or so.

=====================

[Sign in with Google]

Access blocked;  Authorization Error

Client is not authorized for this flow.  If you are a developer of this 
app, see error details.  Error 401: unauthorized_client

Help  Privacy  Terms (all of hish are just mailto: links)

======================


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Real life doesn't always provide spoiler alerts and there's a
   limit to how much sensitivity one is allowed to inflict on others.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16658

On 2025-05-14 22:14, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/14/25 12:50 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-05-14 16:30, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I 
>>> stopped updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an 
>>> authorization error notice every time I try to send or download 
>>> email.  When gmail started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, 
>>> but it was NOT easy and I don't remember what I had to do. This is my 
>>> main account and I HAVE to get it working again.  I can log in to the 
>>> website with firefox with no problem at all.  Any insight will be 
>>> gratefully accepted.
>>>
>>> This is the notice:
>>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>>
>> I just get a big dark blue rectangle, no text.
> 
> Pops up whenever the account tries to retrieve email -- I think I have 
> it check every minute or so.
> 
> =====================
> 
> [Sign in with Google]
> 
> Access blocked;  Authorization Error
> 
> Client is not authorized for this flow.  If you are a developer of this 
> app, see error details.  Error 401: unauthorized_client
> 
> Help  Privacy  Terms (all of hish are just mailto: links)
> 
> ======================

I don't know. They seem to dislike your TB version.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16659

The Real Bev wrote:

> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.

If you click that is there more detail?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16660

On 5/14/25 1:46 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.
> 
> If you click that is there more detail?

Nope, that's not a link.  I'm looking for TB's "error details", but 
nothing so far.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Politicians are stupid like cats are stupid.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16666

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.
>> 
>> If you click that is there more detail?
> 
> Nope, that's not a link.  I'm looking for TB's "error details", but 
> nothing so far.

According to the screenshot you provided, it sure looks like the
blue-highlighted "error details" string is a hyperlink.  

In Tbird, there are 2 places to look for errors or logs:

- Error console
  Tools -> Developer -> Error Console (or Control+Shift+J).

- Log file.  See:
  https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Thunderbird_Logging.
  

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16668

On 5/14/25 22:02, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.
>>> 
>>> If you click that is there more detail?
>> 
>> Nope, that's not a link.  I'm looking for TB's "error details", but 
>> nothing so far.
> 
> According to the screenshot you provided, it sure looks like the
> blue-highlighted "error details" string is a hyperlink.

I know it does, but it's not.
> In Tbird, there are 2 places to look for errors or logs:
> 
> - Error console
>    Tools -> Developer -> Error Console (or Control+Shift+J).
> 
> - Log file.  See:
>    https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Thunderbird_Logging.

I gave up and downloaded and installed V138 in a new subdirectory and 
pointed it at my previous profile.  I can send and receive email in my 
other accounts, but the important one still refuses to connect.  All 
show OAuth2.  One demanded that I give it a password, but no problem.

There seems to be no OAuth2 option, although that's what shows in the 
Authentication method box.  Is there any chance that changing something 
in the website options/settings could kick something loose?

If I change the Authentication method to 'normal password', what will it 
do to allow me to switch back to OAuth2?

Aside from the problems, most of the tweaks/extensions I did to improve 
visibility and usability have disappeared, and it's ugly too. Just 
having to move my head nearer to the screen to read the File / Edit / 
View etc. labels is maddening.   This is why I kept the old one so long.

And it won't pick up my .sig files any more :-(



-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
    This is not a drill."                     --MWilliams

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16669

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/14/25 22:02, VanguardLH wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.
>>>> 
>>>> If you click that is there more detail?
>>> 
>>> Nope, that's not a link.  I'm looking for TB's "error details", but 
>>> nothing so far.
>> 
>> According to the screenshot you provided, it sure looks like the
>> blue-highlighted "error details" string is a hyperlink.
> 
> I know it does, but it's not.
>> In Tbird, there are 2 places to look for errors or logs:
>> 
>> - Error console
>>    Tools -> Developer -> Error Console (or Control+Shift+J).
>> 
>> - Log file.  See:
>>    https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Thunderbird_Logging.
> 
> I gave up and downloaded and installed V138 in a new subdirectory and 
> pointed it at my previous profile.  I can send and receive email in my 
> other accounts, but the important one still refuses to connect.  All 
> show OAuth2.  One demanded that I give it a password, but no problem.
> 
> There seems to be no OAuth2 option, although that's what shows in the 
> Authentication method box.  Is there any chance that changing something 
> in the website options/settings could kick something loose?
> 
> If I change the Authentication method to 'normal password', what will it 
> do to allow me to switch back to OAuth2?
> 
> Aside from the problems, most of the tweaks/extensions I did to improve 
> visibility and usability have disappeared, and it's ugly too. Just 
> having to move my head nearer to the screen to read the File / Edit / 
> View etc. labels is maddening.   This is why I kept the old one so long.
> 
> And it won't pick up my .sig files any more :-(

Instead of reusing your old profile with its old Gmail account, what
about creating yet another Gmail account in Tbird that connects to the
same Gmail account.  That is, you would have 2 accounts in Tbird with
both pointing to the same Gmail account.  If the new Gmail account
works, you could drag the local messages from the old Gmail POP account
(all of which are in Tbird since POP stores locally) into the new Gmail
account (which would still all be local).

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16677

On 5/15/25 01:18, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/14/25 22:02, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you are a developer of this app, see error details.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you click that is there more detail?
>>>> 
>>>> Nope, that's not a link.  I'm looking for TB's "error details", but 
>>>> nothing so far.
>>> 
>>> According to the screenshot you provided, it sure looks like the
>>> blue-highlighted "error details" string is a hyperlink.
>> 
>> I know it does, but it's not.
>>> In Tbird, there are 2 places to look for errors or logs:
>>> 
>>> - Error console
>>>    Tools -> Developer -> Error Console (or Control+Shift+J).
>>> 
>>> - Log file.  See:
>>>    https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Thunderbird_Logging.
>> 
>> I gave up and downloaded and installed V138 in a new subdirectory and 
>> pointed it at my previous profile.  I can send and receive email in my 
>> other accounts, but the important one still refuses to connect.  All 
>> show OAuth2.  One demanded that I give it a password, but no problem.
>> 
>> There seems to be no OAuth2 option, although that's what shows in the 
>> Authentication method box.  Is there any chance that changing something 
>> in the website options/settings could kick something loose?
>> 
>> If I change the Authentication method to 'normal password', what will it 
>> do to allow me to switch back to OAuth2?
>> 
>> Aside from the problems, most of the tweaks/extensions I did to improve 
>> visibility and usability have disappeared, and it's ugly too. Just 
>> having to move my head nearer to the screen to read the File / Edit / 
>> View etc. labels is maddening.   This is why I kept the old one so long.
>> 
>> And it won't pick up my .sig files any more :-(

And now it does, although the various colors for sigs and levels of 
nesting are gone.
> Instead of reusing your old profile with its old Gmail account, what
> about creating yet another Gmail account in Tbird that connects to the
> same Gmail account.  That is, you would have 2 accounts in Tbird with
> both pointing to the same Gmail account.  

I find this frightening.  REALLY frightening.  It's like having 
duplicate filenames. A disturbance in the Force... I might try that on a 
backup to a different partition.

> If the new Gmail account
> works, you could drag the local messages from the old Gmail POP account
> (all of which are in Tbird since POP stores locally) into the new Gmail
> account (which would still all be local).

I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "What's truly sad is that your vote counts the same as mine."
                                                 -- S. Brown

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16683

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
> made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
> have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
> use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
> of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.

Apparently you want a magic bullet that repairs the problem without you
doing anything.  Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  Or
deleting Tbird's password entry (which has the OAUTH2 token) to
negotiate for a new OAUTH2 token is scary, but you have to do that every
time you add an OAUTH2 account into Tbird, and deleting the old Gmail
account's password in Tbird won't be any worse than it is now where you
cannot login to your old Gmail account with Tbird.  Saving an image
backup before making changes, making the changes, and restoring from the
backup must be scary, too, despite that is how you often resolve
problems, but provide an escape route to get back to where you were in
case whatever you did make the problem worse.  Creating a new Gmail
account was not necessary.  You obviously *DID* create a new Gmail
account in Tbird, so that wasn't so scary after all, but you pointed it
at a new Gmail account instead of your old one.

Okay, going with your "solution" of creating a new Gmail account and
adding it to Tbird (instead of creating a new account in Tbird that
points to your old Gmail account), remember that Gmail requires you
login to an account; else, they will suspend an idle account, and
eventually delete it (although they never delete the username to permit
later reuse).  Forwarding from your old Gmail account is not logging
into it.  Since your e-mail client is no longer logging into your old
Gmail account, or it cannot since you won't repair it, your remaining
option is to occasionally use their webmail app to login.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en

2 years inactive (you not logging in via client or webmail) is a long
time, but also more than long enough for you to forget to get your
e-mail client to login, or use their webmail app.  You might want to set
a yearly reminder in Tbird to log into your old Gmail account.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16684

On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
>> made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
>> have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
>> use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
>> of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.
> 
> Apparently you want a magic bullet that repairs the problem without you
> doing anything.  

Not fair.  I've spent days working on this.  The problem is that I'm 
flailing around in the dark.  Last night I was getting messages in both 
accounts.  When I turned on my machine this morning TB said there were 
NO NEW MESSAGES in either account.  Website showed a few new messages in 
AccountA and over a dozen new messages in AccountB but nothing forwarded 
from A to B.  POP enabled.  Forward enabled.  It also told me that my 
Firefox beta was an unsupported browser.

I don't believe in poltergeists, but I don't see how things can change 
themselves.

I reset POP and forwarding and I got new messages from AccountB, but 
AccountA forwarded nothing.


> Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
> account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  

BUT I don't remember how I did it and I seem to remember that flailing 
was required such that it seemed to work by accident.  I'm not a stupid 
person, honest.  I am honestly not capable of doing the shit I have to 
do but I do it anyway.

> Or
> deleting Tbird's password entry (which has the OAUTH2 token) to
> negotiate for a new OAUTH2 token is scary, but you have to do that every
> time you add an OAUTH2 account into Tbird, and deleting the old Gmail
> account's password in Tbird won't be any worse than it is now where you
> cannot login to your old Gmail account with Tbird.  Saving an image
> backup before making changes, making the changes, and restoring from the
> backup must be scary, too, despite that is how you often resolve
> problems, but provide an escape route to get back to where you were in
> case whatever you did make the problem worse.  Creating a new Gmail
> account was not necessary.  You obviously *DID* create a new Gmail
> account in Tbird, so that wasn't so scary after all, but you pointed it
> at a new Gmail account instead of your old one.

The new account is just sitting there.  I haven't told TB about it 
because I haven't decided what I want to do with it.

Doing 2-party shit with google or anybody else is perilous.  Entities 
won't accept my google voice number so I have to keep my t-mobile 
prepaid account running on my old Motorola phone just to receive codes, 
for which I have to go out in front of my neighbor's house in order to 
get signal.  I regard this as unreliable.

> Okay, going with your "solution" of creating a new Gmail account and
> adding it to Tbird (instead of creating a new account in Tbird that
> points to your old Gmail account), remember that Gmail requires you
> login to an account; else, they will suspend an idle account, and
> eventually delete it (although they never delete the username to permit
> later reuse).  Forwarding from your old Gmail account is not logging
> into it.  Since your e-mail client is no longer logging into your old
> Gmail account, or it cannot since you won't repair it, your remaining
> option is to occasionally use their webmail app to login.

I logged into the accounts at the web every once in a while for various 
purposes. No forwards until the recent on from A to B.  POP downloads 
every day.  I would assume that they would tell me if they were going to 
inactivate an account (they tell me about my logging in from a new 
device whenever I do that), but I guess I could be wrong.
> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en
> 
> 2 years inactive (you not logging in via client or webmail) is a long
> time, but also more than long enough for you to forget to get your
> e-mail client to login, or use their webmail app.  You might want to set
> a yearly reminder in Tbird to log into your old Gmail account.

Since I regularly send mail from A and B that would seem to be inapplicable.

There is no reason that A should be blocked while B and other accounts 
are not.  There is no reason that the forwarding order should be ignored 
when it was previously obeyed.  There is no way to actually communicate 
with google.  I'm really glad that I never signed up for paperless 
statements;  I had regarded my ISPs as unrelaible, but it never occurred 
to me that my trusty email client would be the problem.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Not all cultures are equal.  If they were, we
   would have a lot more cannibal restaurants.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16685

On Fri, 16 May 2025 09:08:37 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:

>> Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
>> account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  
>
>BUT I don't remember how I did it and I seem to remember that flailing 
>was required such that it seemed to work by accident.  

Read the instructions to Jesper detailed in the recent thread
"Thunderbird requesting signing in".

And don't forget to delete any previous password/token for whichever
account in TB's password manager.  TB should walk you through the
process after you've been asked for your webmail credentials which you
use for *that occasion only*.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16686

On 5/16/25 10:07, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2025 09:08:37 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>>> Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
>>> account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  
>>
>>BUT I don't remember how I did it and I seem to remember that flailing 
>>was required such that it seemed to work by accident.  
> 
> Read the instructions to Jesper detailed in the recent thread
> "Thunderbird requesting signing in".
> 
> And don't forget to delete any previous password/token for whichever
> account in TB's password manager.  TB should walk you through the
> process after you've been asked for your webmail credentials which you
> use for *that occasion only*.

I'm about to try that, but I have a reasonable amount of experience in 
trashing my own system when the fault actually lies at the other end of 
the wire.

Everything seemed to be working a while ago so I went to the gym.  Now 
an hour later mail from A is not being forwarded to B and B is not 
downloading to my machine in spite of repeated GET MAIL NOW clicks. 
Hubby sent me email to A at 10:23.  It should have been forwarded to B 
instantaneously (it wasn't;  I checked)  and downloaded to ME 3 minutes 
max later (I poll every 3 minutes).  It didn't arrive until 10:35.

Something is dreadfully wrong.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to
    spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and
    begin slitting throats."     -- H.L. Mencken

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16687

On Fri, 16 May 2025 10:45:25 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/16/25 10:07, Nobody wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2025 09:08:37 -0700, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
>> 
>>>> Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
>>>> account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  
>>>
>>>BUT I don't remember how I did it and I seem to remember that flailing 
>>>was required such that it seemed to work by accident.  
>> 
>> Read the instructions to Jesper detailed in the recent thread
>> "Thunderbird requesting signing in".
>> 
>> And don't forget to delete any previous password/token for whichever
>> account in TB's password manager.  TB should walk you through the
>> process after you've been asked for your webmail credentials which you
>> use for *that occasion only*.
>
>I'm about to try that, but I have a reasonable amount of experience in 
>trashing my own system when the fault actually lies at the other end of 
>the wire.
>
>Everything seemed to be working a while ago so I went to the gym.  Now 
>an hour later mail from A is not being forwarded to B and B is not 
>downloading to my machine in spite of repeated GET MAIL NOW clicks. 

You, of course, have checked details -- by logging into your Gmail
account on-line via browser:

Settings (the gear wheel) > All Settings > Forwarding and POP/IMAP.
Choose away.

And while you're at it, check Settings > All Settings > General >
(scroll down to) Desktop notifications... and choose the obvious.

And in TB itself, *each account's* Tools > Account Settings > Server
Settings > (scroll down to) Server Settings and the box for
'Automatically download new messages' is checked?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16693

On 5/16/25 11:31, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2025 10:45:25 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On 5/16/25 10:07, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2025 09:08:37 -0700, The Real Bev
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, I don't have one.  You say adding an OAUTH2
>>>>> account in Thunderbird is scary, but you did it -- at least twice.  
>>>>
>>>>BUT I don't remember how I did it and I seem to remember that flailing 
>>>>was required such that it seemed to work by accident.  
>>> 
>>> Read the instructions to Jesper detailed in the recent thread
>>> "Thunderbird requesting signing in".
>>> 
>>> And don't forget to delete any previous password/token for whichever
>>> account in TB's password manager.  TB should walk you through the
>>> process after you've been asked for your webmail credentials which you
>>> use for *that occasion only*.
>>
>>I'm about to try that, but I have a reasonable amount of experience in 
>>trashing my own system when the fault actually lies at the other end of 
>>the wire.
>>
>>Everything seemed to be working a while ago so I went to the gym.  Now 
>>an hour later mail from A is not being forwarded to B and B is not 
>>downloading to my machine in spite of repeated GET MAIL NOW clicks. 
> 
> You, of course, have checked details -- by logging into your Gmail
> account on-line via browser:
> 
> Settings (the gear wheel) > All Settings > Forwarding and POP/IMAP.
> Choose away.
> 
> And while you're at it, check Settings > All Settings > General >
> (scroll down to) Desktop notifications... and choose the obvious.
> 
> And in TB itself, *each account's* Tools > Account Settings > Server
> Settings > (scroll down to) Server Settings and the box for
> 'Automatically download new messages' is checked?

Yes to all.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16688

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
>>> made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
>>> have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
>>> use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
>>> of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.
>> 
>> Apparently you want a magic bullet that repairs the problem without you
>> doing anything.  
> 
> Not fair.  I've spent days working on this.  The problem is that I'm 
> flailing around in the dark.  Last night I was getting messages in both 
> accounts.  When I turned on my machine this morning TB said there were 
> NO NEW MESSAGES in either account.  Website showed a few new messages in 
> AccountA and over a dozen new messages in AccountB but nothing forwarded 
> from A to B.  POP enabled.  Forward enabled.  It also told me that my 
> Firefox beta was an unsupported browser.

You just created the new AccountB, and already have over a dozen e-mails
in it?

When using their webmail app, and go to fowarding settings at
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop, is AccountB
specified as to where forwarding points?  If it is not your AccountB
Gmail account, you'll have to "Add a forwarding address".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7k0ibk2Dg
Despite the title for the video, the author is NOT showing how to
forward from Gmail to Gmail, but how to forward from Gmail to non-Gmail.
I haven't used the server-side forwarding option in Gmail for many
years, but when I tried back then to forward from one Gmail account to
another Gmail account, I was informed that Gmail won't forward to Gmail.

When you setup forwarding in your Gmail account, and if you selected
"Keep a copy", you should see in both AccountA and AccountB the same new
messages after forwarding was enabled.  All new e-mails in AccountA
should end up duplicated in AccountB.

> I don't believe in poltergeists, but I don't see how things can change 
> themselves.

Did you check POP access was enabled up in your Gmail account?

> The new account is just sitting there.  I haven't told TB about it 
> because I haven't decided what I want to do with it.

Oh, I thought you created the new AccountB Gmail account, added it to
Tbird, and were checking status in Tbird.  So, for the new AccountB
Gmail account, you are only using the webmail app, right?

>> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en
>> 
>> 2 years inactive (you not logging in via client or webmail) is a long
>> time, but also more than long enough for you to forget to get your
>> e-mail client to login, or use their webmail app.  You might want to set
>> a yearly reminder in Tbird to log into your old Gmail account.
> 
> Since I regularly send mail from A and B that would seem to be inapplicable.

But, at this point, you said you cannot log into AccountA Gmail using
Tbird.  You would have to use their webmail app until the issue is
resolved in Tbird.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16690

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7k0ibk2Dg
> Despite the title for the video, the author is NOT showing how to
> forward from Gmail to Gmail, but how to forward from Gmail to non-Gmail.

Author responded to my remark to say his 2nd account (to which he
forwards his Gmail account) is also a Gmail account, but is with Google
Workspaces where he specified a different domain name.  Different
domain, but still Gmail.  So, that clarifies that Google will let you
forward from Gmail to Gmail using a server-side config (rather than
having to use a rule).

> When you setup forwarding in your Gmail account, and if you selected
> "Keep a copy", you should see in both AccountA and AccountB the same new
> messages after forwarding was enabled.  All new e-mails in AccountA
> should end up duplicated in AccountB.

The video author noted that it can a day before the forward option gets
effected.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16695

On 5/17/25 04:13, VanguardLH wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7k0ibk2Dg
>> Despite the title for the video, the author is NOT showing how to
>> forward from Gmail to Gmail, but how to forward from Gmail to non-Gmail.
> 
> Author responded to my remark to say his 2nd account (to which he
> forwards his Gmail account) is also a Gmail account, but is with Google
> Workspaces where he specified a different domain name.  Different
> domain, but still Gmail.  So, that clarifies that Google will let you
> forward from Gmail to Gmail using a server-side config (rather than
> having to use a rule).

I use Chat under workspace, but for a while when I tried to Chat with FF 
Google insisted that I buy a workspace subscription.  After a while it 
let me back into the chat system, but I don't like nasty surprises like 
that.  We heed to have confidence that these people know what they're 
doing, but mine is pretty shaky.

It's really scary to realize just how important email is.

>> When you setup forwarding in your Gmail account, and if you selected
>> "Keep a copy", you should see in both AccountA and AccountB the same new
>> messages after forwarding was enabled.  All new e-mails in AccountA
>> should end up duplicated in AccountB.
> 
> The video author noted that it can a day before the forward option gets
> effected.

Seemed to work immediately, or reasonably close.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16692

On 5/16/25 11:47, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
>>>> made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
>>>> have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
>>>> use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
>>>> of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.
>>> 
>>> Apparently you want a magic bullet that repairs the problem without you
>>> doing anything.  
>> 
>> Not fair.  I've spent days working on this.  The problem is that I'm 
>> flailing around in the dark.  Last night I was getting messages in both 
>> accounts.  When I turned on my machine this morning TB said there were 
>> NO NEW MESSAGES in either account.  Website showed a few new messages in 
>> AccountA and over a dozen new messages in AccountB but nothing forwarded 
>> from A to B.  POP enabled.  Forward enabled.  It also told me that my 
>> Firefox beta was an unsupported browser.
> 
> You just created the new AccountB, and already have over a dozen e-mails
> in it?

No, it's unused so far.
> When using their webmail app, and go to fowarding settings at
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop, is AccountB
> specified as to where forwarding points?  If it is not your AccountB
> Gmail account, you'll have to "Add a forwarding address".

Yes.  Forwarding from A to B.  Now works, but see below.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7k0ibk2Dg
> Despite the title for the video, the author is NOT showing how to
> forward from Gmail to Gmail, but how to forward from Gmail to non-Gmail.
> I haven't used the server-side forwarding option in Gmail for many
> years, but when I tried back then to forward from one Gmail account to
> another Gmail account, I was informed that Gmail won't forward to Gmail.

They must have changed their mind(s).
> When you setup forwarding in your Gmail account, and if you selected
> "Keep a copy", you should see in both AccountA and AccountB the same new
> messages after forwarding was enabled.  All new e-mails in AccountA
> should end up duplicated in AccountB.

Yes.
>> I don't believe in poltergeists, but I don't see how things can change 
>> themselves.
> 
> Did you check POP access was enabled up in your Gmail account?

Yes, but there's no need yet.
>> The new account is just sitting there.  I haven't told TB about it 
>> because I haven't decided what I want to do with it.
> 
> Oh, I thought you created the new AccountB Gmail account, added it to
> Tbird, and were checking status in Tbird.  So, for the new AccountB
> Gmail account, you are only using the webmail app, right?

Correct.
>>> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en
>>> 
>>> 2 years inactive (you not logging in via client or webmail) is a long
>>> time, but also more than long enough for you to forget to get your
>>> e-mail client to login, or use their webmail app.  You might want to set
>>> a yearly reminder in Tbird to log into your old Gmail account.
>> 
>> Since I regularly send mail from A and B that would seem to be inapplicable.
> 
> But, at this point, you said you cannot log into AccountA Gmail using
> Tbird.  You would have to use their webmail app until the issue is
> resolved in Tbird.

Account A is still blocked from TB, but I can forward to Account B and 
download it from B.  BUT...

Stuff works now, except that when I start TB in the morning (I shut down 
my computer at night) no unloading happens automatically, although it 
should -- TB settings are download on startup and every 3 minutes 
thereafter for all accounts including Eternal September.  Nothing, even 
after repeated GET MESSAGES clicks.

So I go to the website, tap a different POP setting, tap it back again, 
hit SAVE and mail starts to download.  This has happened yesterday and 
today.  The website ALWAYS says POP is enabled before I do anything. 
Does the website feel unloved?

Moreover, TB seems to switch the setting on the accounts from UNREAD to 
ALL whenever it feels like it.

I ran a bootable system backup last night and am going to try some 
catastrophic changes in it tomorrow, maybe.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#16699

On 5/17/25 22:10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/16/25 11:47, VanguardLH wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/16/25 06:10, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I finally got the forward from AccountA to AccountB to work, and then I 
>>>>> made a filter to put the forwarded messages into a new 'folder' so I 
>>>>> have one viable workaround.  I opened a new gmail account to possibly 
>>>>> use if I can't recover AccountA, but having to notify serious entities 
>>>>> of the new email address is fraught with peril for various reasons.
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently you want a magic bullet that repairs the problem without you
>>>> doing anything.  
>>> 
>>> Not fair.  I've spent days working on this.  The problem is that I'm 
>>> flailing around in the dark.  Last night I was getting messages in both 
>>> accounts.  When I turned on my machine this morning TB said there were 
>>> NO NEW MESSAGES in either account.  Website showed a few new messages in 
>>> AccountA and over a dozen new messages in AccountB but nothing forwarded 
>>> from A to B.  POP enabled.  Forward enabled.  It also told me that my 
>>> Firefox beta was an unsupported browser.
>> 
>> You just created the new AccountB, and already have over a dozen e-mails
>> in it?
> 
> No, it's unused so far.
>> When using their webmail app, and go to fowarding settings at
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/fwdandpop, is AccountB
>> specified as to where forwarding points?  If it is not your AccountB
>> Gmail account, you'll have to "Add a forwarding address".
> 
> Yes.  Forwarding from A to B.  Now works, but see below.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7k0ibk2Dg
>> Despite the title for the video, the author is NOT showing how to
>> forward from Gmail to Gmail, but how to forward from Gmail to non-Gmail.
>> I haven't used the server-side forwarding option in Gmail for many
>> years, but when I tried back then to forward from one Gmail account to
>> another Gmail account, I was informed that Gmail won't forward to Gmail.
> 
> They must have changed their mind(s).
>> When you setup forwarding in your Gmail account, and if you selected
>> "Keep a copy", you should see in both AccountA and AccountB the same new
>> messages after forwarding was enabled.  All new e-mails in AccountA
>> should end up duplicated in AccountB.
> 
> Yes.
>>> I don't believe in poltergeists, but I don't see how things can change 
>>> themselves.
>> 
>> Did you check POP access was enabled up in your Gmail account?
> 
> Yes, but there's no need yet.
>>> The new account is just sitting there.  I haven't told TB about it 
>>> because I haven't decided what I want to do with it.
>> 
>> Oh, I thought you created the new AccountB Gmail account, added it to
>> Tbird, and were checking status in Tbird.  So, for the new AccountB
>> Gmail account, you are only using the webmail app, right?
> 
> Correct.
>>>> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en
>>>> 
>>>> 2 years inactive (you not logging in via client or webmail) is a long
>>>> time, but also more than long enough for you to forget to get your
>>>> e-mail client to login, or use their webmail app.  You might want to set
>>>> a yearly reminder in Tbird to log into your old Gmail account.
>>> 
>>> Since I regularly send mail from A and B that would seem to be inapplicable.
>> 
>> But, at this point, you said you cannot log into AccountA Gmail using
>> Tbird.  You would have to use their webmail app until the issue is
>> resolved in Tbird.
> 
> Account A is still blocked from TB, but I can forward to Account B and
> download it from B.  BUT...
> 
> Stuff works now, except that when I start TB in the morning (I shut down
> my computer at night) no unloading happens automatically, although it
> should -- TB settings are download on startup and every 3 minutes
> thereafter for all accounts including Eternal September.  Nothing, even
> after repeated GET MESSAGES clicks.

THE MYSTERY SOLVED, and I can take partial blame.  Down at the bottom of 
the account list, way off scale, are four defunct nntp servers that I 
never figured out how to get rid of.  I zeroed out all of the connection 
settings, but ONE of them insisted on trying really hard to connect and 
wouldn't let the other accounts try until it finally gave up.  I just 
happened to see the 'connecting with oldusa server' thing in the bottom 
bar and went hunting.

I have never before seen the big red DELETE button;  I had wanted to get 
rid of these long ago but was never able to.  Has this always been there 
but only visible if you sort of back into it or is it a new thing added 
after TB82?
> So I go to the website, tap a different POP setting, tap it back again,
> hit SAVE and mail starts to download.  This has happened yesterday and
> today.  The website ALWAYS says POP is enabled before I do anything.
> Does the website feel unloved?
> 
> Moreover, TB seems to switch the setting on the accounts from UNREAD to
> ALL whenever it feels like it.

This still happens.
> I ran a bootable system backup last night and am going to try some
> catastrophic changes in it tomorrow, maybe.
Maybe...

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "If you expect to score points by whining, join a
    European soccer team."
                               --Demotivators poster

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 2 of 3 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | alt.comp.software.thunderbird

csiph-web