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Re: Submarines

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Submarines
Date 2025-09-17 18:42 +0000
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 09:59:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The UK vaccine - the first one - was given away at cost.
> 
> Naturally studies funded by other pharma companies instantly showed it
> was 'ineffective and dangerous'
> 
> And their expensive products were infinitely superior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#Manufacturing

Funny how the Gates Foundation jumped in and told Oxford to find a large 
company to work with and the UK picked AstraZeneca. The article also says 
the EU paid 1.78 Euros per dose. A million doses here, a million there, 
and soon you're talking about real money. The way it's written suggests 
the EU also paid for development.

afaik Pfizer was the only company to decline government funding.

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  Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:54 +0100
    Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:53 +0100
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        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:41 +0100
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            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:00 +0000
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                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 09:56 +0100
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                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:01 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:25 +0200
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                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:45 +0000
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                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 00:48 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:22 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:42 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:44 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:42 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:29 +0100
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:17 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:13 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-18 14:56 +0200
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                Re: Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:58 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:09 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:48 +0000
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