Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines)

From	Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines)
Date	2025-09-17 12:16 +0100
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On 2025-09-16, rbowman wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 09:56:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> But in reality the real calculation was political. The main line of
>> attack was lockdown = quarantine. This also had the effect of reducing
>> colds and flu in general too.
>
> That came at a cost. My ex lives in NYC and several of her favorite 
> restaurants didn't survive. Even here the mom and pop gym I went to for 
> years didn't make it. It was struggling as it was. I'd switched to another 
> gym that was more convenient and that was another lesson in irony. The 
> powers that be declared you did not have to wear a mask while actually 
> exercising so you would pull the mask down, do your sets, and pull it back 
> up before moving to the next machine. Every other treadmill, which are 
> cheek by jowl, was turned off to maintain 6' fo distance between maskless, 
> panting people.
>
> There are also indications that the lack of social interaction other than 
> Zoom sessions didn't do the kids' mental health much good. I'm not sure 
> locking yourself for months did anybody much good. I'm not social by 
> nature so my life didn't change much. I went in to the office daily but 
> quite a few didn't. Hiking wasn't banned although there were signs telling 
> you to maintain social distancing at the trailheads.

Some countries did that with restaurants too. That seemed too risky and
both of these should have been done differently, why conveniently forget
the reason why people are masking when it harms some business?

Public transit had inconsistencies in some places too. Authorities would
wave the 6 feet or the metric equivalent often as a guideline, and
things would be marked for such spacing in general etc.... except that,
when it came to public transit, authorised capacities quickly went well
beyond what'd have been admissible if you actually were to consider such
distancing. And this in closed vehicles, some smaller than the
businesses and services where distancing was being enforced, and some
with worse ventilation...

That did look odd.

> Did the pharma companies turn out a profitable product without a lot of 
> testing at Warp Speed? At least in the US they might be encouraged by the 
> absence of liability if they screw up badly. I forget all the players. Was 
> it Johnson & Johnson that had the 'one shot and done' or was J&J the one 
> that was pulled due to blood clots?  None of them ever achieved the one 
> shot fix. Cynically the need for an annual shot guarantees eternal sales. 
> And, no, the shots are not 'free'. 

Maybe the US was especially susceptible for this, given its weird health
care system where it's more of a for-profit industry with blatantly
inflated prices everywhere.

What I saw was at least a couple vaccines based on a promising
technology - mRNA - passing muster with some trials and then being
widely deployed, in what ought to be also promising for other vira in
the future.

(Even without US pricing, there seems to have been an issue with Pfizer
profiting from Tozinameran in an unfair way, not just because of the
public health emergency, but also because it was reportedly public
funded, and so even the usual argument of "but funding the corporate
research!" wouldn't apply.)

-- 
Nuno Silva

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  Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:54 +0100
    Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:53 +0100
      Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 10:12 +0100
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                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:40 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:14 +0100
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