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Re: Submarines

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Submarines
Date 2025-09-17 00:48 +0200
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On 2025-09-16 22:50, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/16/25 12:15, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 09:56:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> But in reality the real calculation was political. The main line
>>> of attack was lockdown = quarantine. This also had the effect of
>>> reducing colds and flu in general too.
>> 
>> That came at a cost. My ex lives in NYC and several of her
>> favorite restaurants didn't survive. Even here the mom and pop gym
>> I went to for years didn't make it. It was struggling as it was.
>> I'd switched to another gym that was more convenient and that was
>> another lesson in irony. The powers that be declared you did not
>> have to wear a mask while actually exercising so you would pull
>> the mask down, do your sets, and pull it back up before moving to
>> the next machine. Every other treadmill, which are cheek by jowl,
>> was turned off to maintain 6' fo distance between maskless, 
>> panting people.
>> 
>> There are also indications that the lack of social interaction
>> other than Zoom sessions didn't do the kids' mental health much
>> good. I'm not sure locking yourself for months did anybody much
>> good. I'm not social by nature so my life didn't change much. I
>> went in to the office daily but quite a few didn't. Hiking wasn't
>> banned although there were signs telling you to maintain social
>> distancing at the trailheads.
>> 
>>> Anyone who thinks we were 'conned' is an idiot. In reality the
>>> political classes were absolutely out of their depth and off the
>>> reservation, and well over their pay grade on this. Their
>>> decisions were political, not scientific, and allowing a lot of
>>> people to die isn't a vote winner, but telling them not to touch
>>> and wear masks isn't a vote loser.
>> 
>> I don't know if I'd call in 'conned' but when a politician tells
>> you with absolute certainty that six foot distancing and masks
>> will save countless lives when they really don't have a clue what
>> do you call it?  Of course that's SOP for politicians in general.
>> 
>> Did the pharma companies turn out a profitable product without a
>> lot of testing at Warp Speed? At least in the US they might be
>> encouraged by the absence of liability if they screw up badly. I
>> forget all the players. Was it Johnson & Johnson that had the 'one
>> shot and done' or was J&J the one that was pulled due to blood
>> clots?  None of them ever achieved the one shot fix. Cynically the
>> need for an annual shot guarantees eternal sales. And, no, the
>> shots are not 'free'.
>> 
> 
> No they were not free and Mr. Trump threw a billion at the 
> pharmaceutical companies to get them to act expeditiously.  They
> did using mRNA and it worked pretty well though it softened the
> impact of the illness but many people got ill who had no time to get
> the shots.
> Mr.Trump later depreciated the shots which is ironic since no one 
> would have had them without his investment of our Tax Payers' funds.

You know that there were other types of Covid vaccines developed, some 
too late. One at least in Spain. No big pharma involved, no big money, 
so they were slow. They finished it, but I don't know if it has been 
used in the field.

> 
> Apart from that he lied and promoted quackery of all sorts.
> 
> That is well documented and we believed him when he told his lies 
> about the shortness of the restrictions which had to go on until he 
> was gone from office as he spouted the Big Lie about the 2020 
> election results. As Bugs would say, "What a maroon!".
> 
> bliss -
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 10:44 -0700
    SARS-CoV-2 (was: Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:58 +0100
      Re: SARS-CoV-2 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 14:44 -0700
        Re: SARS-CoV-2 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 14:03 +0200
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            Re: SARS-CoV-2 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:21 +0200
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 19:08 +0000
  Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:54 +0100
    Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:53 +0100
      Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 10:12 +0100
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        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:41 +0100
          Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
            Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 16:08 -0700
          Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 09:55 +0200
            Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:40 +0100
              Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 12:08 +0200
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 11:56 +0100
            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:00 +0000
            Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 16:27 -0400
              Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 03:51 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 09:56 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 19:15 +0000
                Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:46 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-16 13:54 -0700
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:08 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:06 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:50 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:13 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:34 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:34 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:07 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us> - 2025-09-17 15:37 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 17:01 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:01 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:25 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:19 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 12:33 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:45 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-16 13:50 -0700
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 00:48 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:22 +0000
                Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-17 06:54 +0200
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                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:59 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:42 +0000
                Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 20:21 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:44 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:42 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:29 +0100
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                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:19 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:27 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:17 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:13 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-18 14:56 +0200
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                Re: Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:58 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:09 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:48 +0000
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                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:00 +0100
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        Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:53 +0000
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      Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 14:04 +0200
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        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:55 +0100
          Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 19:06 +0200
            Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 18:16 +0100
            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:03 +0000
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                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:40 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:14 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:58 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 00:32 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 13:58 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 21:00 +0000
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      Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:50 +0000
        Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:01 +0200
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:37 +0000
        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:10 +0100
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:28 +0000
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