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Re: Submarines

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Submarines
Date 2025-09-16 19:15 +0000
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 09:56:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> But in reality the real calculation was political. The main line of
> attack was lockdown = quarantine. This also had the effect of reducing
> colds and flu in general too.

That came at a cost. My ex lives in NYC and several of her favorite 
restaurants didn't survive. Even here the mom and pop gym I went to for 
years didn't make it. It was struggling as it was. I'd switched to another 
gym that was more convenient and that was another lesson in irony. The 
powers that be declared you did not have to wear a mask while actually 
exercising so you would pull the mask down, do your sets, and pull it back 
up before moving to the next machine. Every other treadmill, which are 
cheek by jowl, was turned off to maintain 6' fo distance between maskless, 
panting people.

There are also indications that the lack of social interaction other than 
Zoom sessions didn't do the kids' mental health much good. I'm not sure 
locking yourself for months did anybody much good. I'm not social by 
nature so my life didn't change much. I went in to the office daily but 
quite a few didn't. Hiking wasn't banned although there were signs telling 
you to maintain social distancing at the trailheads.

> Anyone who thinks we were 'conned' is an idiot. In reality the political
> classes were absolutely out of their depth and off the reservation, and
> well over their pay grade on this. Their decisions were political, not
> scientific, and allowing a lot of people to die isn't a vote winner, but
> telling them not to touch and wear masks isn't a vote loser.

I don't know if I'd call in 'conned' but when a politician tells you with 
absolute certainty that six foot distancing and masks will save countless 
lives when they really don't have a clue what do you call it?  Of course 
that's SOP for politicians in general.

Did the pharma companies turn out a profitable product without a lot of 
testing at Warp Speed? At least in the US they might be encouraged by the 
absence of liability if they screw up badly. I forget all the players. Was 
it Johnson & Johnson that had the 'one shot and done' or was J&J the one 
that was pulled due to blood clots?  None of them ever achieved the one 
shot fix. Cynically the need for an annual shot guarantees eternal sales. 
And, no, the shots are not 'free'.

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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-13 22:55 +1000
  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 10:44 -0700
    SARS-CoV-2 (was: Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:58 +0100
      Re: SARS-CoV-2 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 14:44 -0700
        Re: SARS-CoV-2 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 14:03 +0200
          Re: SARS-CoV-2 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-09-16 11:56 +0100
            Re: SARS-CoV-2 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:21 +0200
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 19:08 +0000
  Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:54 +0100
    Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:53 +0100
      Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 10:12 +0100
        Masks. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 14:08 +0200
        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:41 +0100
          Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
            Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 16:08 -0700
          Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 09:55 +0200
            Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:40 +0100
              Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 12:08 +0200
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 11:56 +0100
            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:00 +0000
            Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 16:27 -0400
              Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 03:51 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 09:56 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 19:15 +0000
                Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:46 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-16 13:54 -0700
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:08 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:06 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:50 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:13 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:34 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:34 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:07 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us> - 2025-09-17 15:37 +0000
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 17:01 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:01 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:25 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:19 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 12:33 +0200
                Re: Masks, Covid... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:45 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-16 13:50 -0700
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 00:48 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:22 +0000
                Re: Submarines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-17 06:54 +0200
                Covid, masks, vaccines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:33 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:16 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:59 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:42 +0000
                Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 20:21 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:44 +0000
                Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 12:15 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:42 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:29 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:53 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:19 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:27 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:17 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:13 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-18 14:56 +0200
                Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 12:16 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 12:35 +0100
                Re: Masks, Covid... (was: Re: Submarines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:58 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:09 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:48 +0000
              Covid, masks. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:08 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 19:49 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 22:12 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 03:36 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-16 14:04 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 03:43 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 10:24 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 20:48 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 14:48 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:47 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 04:19 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 05:24 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 23:07 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:48 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 21:30 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:47 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:45 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:58 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:12 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:10 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:43 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:50 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 04:49 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 21:20 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:42 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:39 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:41 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 21:49 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 15:36 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:28 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:43 -0700
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                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:15 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:54 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:53 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 04:10 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:51 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:46 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:59 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 21:25 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 21:12 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:30 -0700
                Re: Covid, masks. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 06:10 +0000
          SARS-CoV-2 (was: Re: Submarines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 11:29 +0100
        Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:53 +0000
          Covid and flu "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 22:47 +0200
            Re: Covid and flu rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:04 +0000
              Re: Covid and flu Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 17:21 +0100
          Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:11 +0100
      Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 14:04 +0200
        Re: Submarines + illness + Linux news Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:33 -0700
        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:55 +0100
          Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 19:06 +0200
            Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 18:16 +0100
            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:03 +0000
              Covid, masks... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 22:58 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:40 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:14 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:58 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 00:32 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 13:58 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 21:00 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 17:31 -0400
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 04:23 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-16 00:30 -0400
      Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:50 +0000
        Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:01 +0200
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:37 +0000
        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:10 +0100
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:28 +0000
  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 19:05 +0000
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:54 +0100
      Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:22 +0000
  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-13 20:47 +0000

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