Re: Submarines

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Submarines
Date	2025-09-15 19:28 +0000
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 10:10:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Of course where you are in rural Montana or Wyoming with a population
> density equal to the Arctic, you might not have noticed.

The first deaths in Montana reflected the deaths nationwide -- nursing 
home patients with comorbidities, aka one foot in the grave and the other 
on a banana peel. 

https://dphhs.mt.gov/assets/publichealth/CDEpi/DiseasesAtoZ/2019-nCoV/
Reports/COVIDMORTALITY2020_2021_FINAL_ADA1.pdf

"The number and rate of COVID-19 deaths increased with increasing age. In 
Montana, the median age of COVID-19-associated death was 78 years (range 
24–103 years). The mortality rate was 56% higher among males than females 
in Montana. In Montana, the age-adjusted mortality rate was 4.0 times 
higher among AI/AN residents than white residents. Median age of death 
among AI/AN residents was 68 years (range 30–97 years) and the median age 
of death among white residents was 80 years (range 24–103 years).

At least one underlying condition was reported for 1,430 of 2,100 (69.2%) 
of COVID-19 decedents; 283 of 410 (69.0%) of decedents aged less than 65 
years also had at least one underlying condition reported (Table 2). The 
most reported underlying conditions were cardiovascular diseases, 
diabetes, and respiratory diseases (Table 2). "

There is also the distinction between dying OF covid and dying WITH 
covid.

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    Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:53 +0100
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:22 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:44 +0000
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                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:17 +0000
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                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-18 14:56 +0200
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                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:09 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:48 +0000
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          Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 19:06 +0200
            Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 18:16 +0100
            Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:03 +0000
              Covid, masks... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 22:58 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:40 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:14 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:58 +0000
                Re: Covid, masks... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 00:32 +0100
                Re: Covid, masks... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 13:58 +0200
                Re: Covid, masks... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 21:00 +0000
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      Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:50 +0000
        Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:01 +0200
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:37 +0000
        Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:10 +0100
          Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:28 +0000
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