Re: Internet connection question - attn Xeno

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: Internet connection question - attn Xeno
Date	2017-06-08 10:47 +1000
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"felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On Wednesday, 7 Jun 2017 2:03 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:epotk3Fs9gaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Wednesday, 7 Jun 2017 6:12 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:epn05mFe6ibU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Tuesday, 6 Jun 2017 11:33 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:epmdi2FadjaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 6 Jun 2017 5:00 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:epl5j5F1drgU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 5 Jun 2017 11:08 PM, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/06/2017 10:34 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno.. can you please advise if it's ok for me to use the 
>>>>>>>>>>> myrepublic
>>>>>>>>>>> modem? my concern is that it will 'talk' to MR, and register a
>>>>>>>>>>> connection, and I'll be charged. Rob says just to put in my TPG 
>>>>>>>>>>> password
>>>>>>>>>>> and username, and I can use this modem with my TPG account, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>> no prob, I can do that without connecting to the net, but the MR 
>>>>>>>>>>> setup
>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mrau-web-02.s3.amazonaws.com/au/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Wi-Fi-Hub-Quick-Start-Guide.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>> step 4, says the modem will setup automatically, once I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>> online, so
>>>>>>>>>>> would that mean it will register me as a customer of MR?. TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what about the belong one? I don't have an account with them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's give you a hint felix. I had an Optus modem running my 
>>>>>>>>>> Internode connection for a while until I put in my Cisco gear. I 
>>>>>>>>>> then reconfigured it to run on our Exetel network at work when 
>>>>>>>>>> our shitty Netcomm failed. I have never been charged by Optus...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but did you have an Optus account? I have an MR account
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact is felix that who you are connected to is designated by 
>>>>>>>>>> carrier codes assigned to your connection by the NBN and those 
>>>>>>>>>> codes give the ip range information to the modem and in the case 
>>>>>>>>>> of your MR modem when you are connected to their NBN service the 
>>>>>>>>>> modem is auto configured. If you manually configure it to use TPG 
>>>>>>>>>> it cannot connect to MR...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> however, I've just discovered that I need to be connected to the 
>>>>>>>>> internet to access the modem configuration page, as I've just been 
>>>>>>>>> experimenting with the Belong modem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No you don’t with the MR modem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my concern is, and you'll pardon my ignorance in these matters (I 
>>>>>>>>> hope), that once the modem connects to the internet it will 'seek 
>>>>>>>>> out' it's host MR and identify with my account.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FTTP doesn’t work like that. What RSP it talks to is determined by
>>>>>>>> which port on the NBN NTU you plug it into. If you plug it into
>>>>>>>> the one you are currently using, it will use the same RSP you are
>>>>>>>> using now. The RSP is fixed to a particular port on the NBN NTU.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have that issue with Belong as I don't have an account 
>>>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Telstra uses the same principal with their modems for NBN 
>>>>>>>>>> connections (it's done by mac addressing) and autoconfigure their 
>>>>>>>>>> modems with your details. Works well until they get their wires 
>>>>>>>>>> crossed... You can if you are a masochist setup a Telstra modem 
>>>>>>>>>> to work with your connection as well. The Belong modem (being 
>>>>>>>>>> part of Telstra) uses the same mac addressing principle. As long 
>>>>>>>>>> as you configure it to use TPG you will not have any issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I assume that 'configuring the modem' means copying the settings 
>>>>>>>>> from the TPG modem config page to the MR modem config page?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In saying that though if you have your home phone configured via 
>>>>>>>>>> voip through your current modem you may have some issues as some 
>>>>>>>>>> companies modems have the phone carrier hard coded into the modem 
>>>>>>>>>> and it cannot be changed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the home phone number was provided by TPG, and I believe that with 
>>>>>>>>> the NBN home phones are now voip phones,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so that could be an issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so i access the MR modem config page without internet connection, 
>>>>>>> and then change only the username and password.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and that alone ensures that it can use the MR service.
>>>>>
>>>>> you mean can't?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I really should proof read, can't be bothered tho.
>>>>
>>>>>>> then do I connect to the NBN box TPG port,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or the other port?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that’s the one that the MR service is on.
>>>>
>>>>> ok, I have put in the username and password, and connected via the NBN 
>>>>> TPG port, but I can't access the internet. it would seem to me that I 
>>>>> need to change other settings on the modem.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, likely. You need PPoE etc.
>>>>
>>>>> eg. NTP servers, ???
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>>>> (the wifi speed was down to 1.1 mbps last night
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That wouldn’t be due to the Netcomm router,
>>>>>> it will deliver something like 25 mbps fine. It
>>>>>> just can't get within a bulls roar of the 100
>>>>>> mbps that your FTTP can provide if you are
>>>>>> paying for a 100/40 service with TPG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so I really need to do something,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is likely local wifi interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may be able to fix that by using a different
>>>>>> channel or using the 5GHz band if the TV can
>>>>>> do that. The MR router can, the Netcomm can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> although my PC connection is via ethernet)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but your problem is with your TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes. I can connect via LAN but then I have the problem that the tv 
>>>>> keeps connecting and disconnecting, making the LAN connection 
>>>>> virtually unusable
>>>>
>>>> Be interesting to see what happens with the MR router.
>>>
>>> you have said previously that the problem is due to the way that TPG 
>>> does things, and that MR does it differently,
>>
>> I said nothing of the sort with the problem you are seeing.

> I thought you had said it was something to do with the way the TPG DHCP 
> server allocates addresses, or something like that,

Nope, that was someone else.

> and MR does it differently,

Certainly MR does it very differently with logging on your
router, doesn’t have your username/password in the router.

But that has nothing to do with the problem you are seeing with the TV.

> and that would remedy the connection/
> disconnection problem I have with the LAN

Nope, I said that the router MR supplys does WIFI a
lot better and that the problem you said you saw when
you used WIFI to the TV might not get that result and
that since you have a MR router, that is worth TRYING.

>>
>>> so I'm counting on the MR modem being much better,
>>
>> It is for most of us, but not for everyone.
>
> it certainly seems much better just on the interface alone.

Yeah, its pretty decent in that area.

> besides, it's bigger so it must be better :)

>>> and eliminating the problem,
>>
>> Remains to be seen where the problem is. If the problem is
>> the TV, it may not make any difference at all. I suggested you
>> TRY the MR modem given that its available to be tried and it
>> is known to perform MUCH better than the Netcomm WITH
>> WIFI and you said that one of the problems was with wifi.

> I will if I can ever get the idiots to connect it

No reason you can't use the MR router on the TPG service.

>>> so I can use the LAN connection and get constant speed.
>>
>> I never said anything about the MR modem doing LAN better.
>
> I thought you did

Nope, wifi.

>>> btw.. the distance of the tv from the modem is a good 30 metres. that 
>>> would not be something causing an issue would it?
>>
>> Nar, that’s fine with a decent CAT5 or CAT5 cable and from
>> memory you did say that you had tried a different one.
>
> yes
>
>>
>> If you havent, worth trying a different one or the MR modem and use wifi. 
>> BUT you appear to have severe wifi congestion given that the Netcomm cant 
>> even deliver a decent speed on wifi

> it gets up to 22mbps, the same as the LAN speed,

You never said what speed your TPG service is.

> but it also goes as low as 1-2 mbps, and that's the problem.

You don’t say if you have tried other 2.4GHz wifi channels.

> if it would just stay around 20mbps there wouldn't be a problem.

And that’s why I suggested trying the MR router.

>> and you have never said if the TV can do 5GHz wifi.

> I don't know if it can. I shall endeavour to find out

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