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Re: Floppies

From John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject Re: Floppies
Date 2025-09-16 13:34 -0700
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <20250916133411.00001c32@gmail.com> (permalink)
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 20:28:35 +0200
Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> > On the PC the format was handled in software (BIOS or even
> > userland),  
> 
> The 3½" floppies could hold 720 kByte when used on a PC. If you set
> up config.sys correctly, it could handle 144 kByte.
> 
> I haven't tried other formats on a PC, but I would be surprised if it 
> could handle other formats - without formatting.

The standard PC boot sector contains disk geometry info which can
*theoretically* represent a wide range of disk formats; I'm not sure
how far that can practically be pushed. The MS-DOS FORMAT utility
supported a lot more options for disk sizes, but I don't know if it
could read any arbitrary geometry as specified in the boot sector.

The controller itself imposed some limitations as well (at least some
of the parameters were shared across both drives on the ribbon, which
made for interesting times if one was trying to access a non-standard
format while running off a floppy in a standard format!) And only FM/
MFM encoding was supported, which meant that GCR-format disks (Apple
II, 400/800KB Mac, most Commodore) couldn't be accessed in any case.

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                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 18:49 -0400
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                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:58 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 03:07 +0000
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                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:58 +0200
                Re: Floppies Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-09-17 12:14 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 20:27 +0000
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                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 03:47 +0000
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                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 00:42 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:15 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 19:27 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:06 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:06 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-19 11:52 +0200
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-19 11:34 -0600
                Re: Floppies "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-09-20 09:34 +0100
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-20 17:06 -0600
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:53 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:38 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:12 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 09:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 21:09 -0400
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:48 +0000
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:58 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:22 -0400
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:45 +0100
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 08:03 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:49 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:54 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:45 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-21 00:39 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 23:19 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:52 +0100
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 17:54 +1000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 10:17 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 09:44 +0100
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                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 11:53 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 20:26 +1000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
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                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
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                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 12:43 +0100
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                Re: Floppies Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-09-22 12:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 09:01 -0700
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:53 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 10:07 +1000
                Re: Floppies vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-22 00:29 +0000
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                Re: Desalinated water Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:08 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:50 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:11 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 20:07 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:25 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 19:35 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 05:12 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:39 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:08 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:24 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:42 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:25 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:03 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:18 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:48 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:38 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-19 12:05 +0200
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 07:58 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:37 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:10 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:55 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:21 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:27 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 09:07 +1000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 00:20 -0400
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 14:57 +1000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-19 11:41 -0600
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 18:55 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 08:09 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:17 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:22 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 08:56 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 18:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:22 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:50 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:51 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:01 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:34 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:15 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:10 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:27 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-18 00:06 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:58 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 16:34 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:46 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-15 14:02 +1000
                Re: Floppies Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2025-09-15 00:53 -0400
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-14 23:49 -0600
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 16:51 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-15 16:17 -0600
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 23:17 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-15 21:43 -0600
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-16 17:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 13:36 -0600
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 07:21 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 04:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-15 14:35 +1000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 00:39 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 07:16 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 16:51 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-15 16:23 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-15 06:07 +0100
                Re: Floppies Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2025-09-15 07:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-15 08:35 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-15 09:47 +0200
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 16:16 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 21:24 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-15 22:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies Øyvind Røtvold <orotvold@gmail.com> - 2025-09-16 17:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 19:33 +0000
                Re: Floppies Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2025-09-16 14:38 -0700
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 17:06 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-16 06:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-16 06:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 09:58 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-16 11:38 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-16 17:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-16 20:34 +0200
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-16 20:35 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 18:47 -0400
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 13:42 -0600
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-17 10:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:51 +0000
                Readability of source code (was: Re: Floppies) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:51 +0100
                Re: Readability of source code ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-17 11:16 +0000
                Re: Readability of source code lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-17 10:56 -0600
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 23:16 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-17 08:13 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:49 +0000
                Re: Floppies Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2025-09-17 11:47 -0700
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-18 09:23 +1000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 16:00 -0700
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 03:23 +0000
              Re: Floppies Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 09:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:40 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 22:13 +0200
              Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:19 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies peter london <peterlondon@chimia.se> - 2025-09-15 21:40 +0200
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 23:10 +0000
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-19 20:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-19 23:04 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-20 12:39 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 20:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:37 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 06:26 +0000
                Re: Floppies Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-22 07:04 +0200
                Tomato joke. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 15:24 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-21 14:09 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:36 +0000
                Translations "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:00 +0200
                Re: Translations The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:32 +0100
                Re: Translations rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 01:16 +0000
                Re: Translations The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:42 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:57 +0100
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 08:35 -0700
                Re: Floppies Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-20 12:15 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-20 14:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:27 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:46 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 11:12 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 18:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:28 -0700
                Re: Floppies Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 19:05 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:41 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                "They" (was: Re: Floppies) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 23:12 +0000
                Re: "They" (was: Re: Floppies) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: "They" (was: Re: Floppies) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 07:57 +0000
                Re: "They" Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-09-22 09:31 +0100
                Re: "They" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 08:47 -0700
                Re: "They" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:46 +0100
                Re: "They" ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-22 13:49 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:48 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 11:13 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:14 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:50 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Lingua franca "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 15:35 +0200
                Re: Lingua franca rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:58 +0000
                Re: Lingua franca The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:12 +0100
                Re: Lingua franca "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:09 +0200
                Re: Lingua franca Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Lingua franca "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:07 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-21 13:35 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 18:22 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 20:54 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-21 14:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:11 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 15:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:12 +0000
          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-14 18:16 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:16 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-14 17:28 -0400
  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:58 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:44 +0000

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