Re: Surplus electricity

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Surplus electricity
Date	2026-03-30 14:47 +1100
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On 30/03/2026 3:10 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10q7ltu$atug$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 28/03/2026 5:43 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 01:55:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/03/2026 10:24 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 15:19:29 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/03/2026 1:48 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 01:25:09 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 8:48 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 16:51:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 6:38 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-03-25 12:17, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 01:28:35 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 1:10 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/25/2026 04:21 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2026 6:14 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/24/2026 09:21 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> The subject was and is film caps. They use aluminum or zinc or combo
>>> metalizations. Many atoms thick. Look it up.
>>
>> Where? I could do it for myself,
> 
> For those who aren't convinced that Bill knows enough about search to
> provide suitable links:
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=metallized+film+capacitor+construction&udm=2
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=metallized+film+capacitor+construction&udm=14
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=metalized+film+capacitor+film+thickness&udm=14
> 
> As a side note, someone made this:
> https://udm14.com/
> But I doubt that that will last many years.

The basic question was whether the metalisation was any thicker than 
that required to get more than one atom thickness at the thinner points, 
and none of your links seem to answer that explicitily.

There was some emphasis on the self-healing properties of very thin 
films - when the there is an arc you want it to be able to vapourise all 
the metal in the vicinity without getting the film hot enough to get 
carbonised into a state where it too can conduct - but no discussion of 
metalisation  thickness as a pile of atoms.

>> but if you want to pose as an expert, here's your chance to shine.

You didn't shine.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

>>
> 
>

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