Re: Surplus electricity

From	JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Surplus electricity
Date	2026-04-03 07:22 +0100
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 16:29:55 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 3/04/2026 11:51 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10qm4pe$1832s$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 3/04/2026 2:05 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 14:54:36 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/04/2026 3:35 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10qjddp$ad1m$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 1/04/2026 7:10 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 15:36:25 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/04/2026 11:34 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10qfl5l$326de$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2026 2:09 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 14:47:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/03/2026 3:10 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10q7ltu$atug$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2026 5:43 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 01:55:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/03/2026 10:24 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 15:19:29 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/03/2026 1:48 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 01:25:09 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 8:48 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 16:51:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 6:38 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-03-25 12:17, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 01:28:35 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/03/2026 1:10 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/25/2026 04:21 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2026 6:14 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/24/2026 09:21 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Told ya so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes he did.
>>>>>
>>>>> In your ever-so-expert opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You made a bald claim unsupported by any evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Rawde is easily amused.
>>>>
>>>> That makes life more enjoyable. Are you ever amused? Certainly not
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eb Major has three flats.
>>>>>> I can find evidence if you want but I don't provide evidence for every
>>>>>> statement I make because others can either find out for themselves or they
>>>>>> may already know.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Larkin made vague and unsupported claims about aluminium and zinc
>>>>> metallisation in plastic film capacitors. He did - more or less
>>>>> accidentally - came up with a link to more specific information, but he
>>>>> didn't highlight the link in any way or indicate what the specific
>>>>> information meant.
>>>>
>>>> I said that film caps do not use single-atom thick metalization, and
>>>> that some use combined aluminum and zinc metalization. I learned those
>>>> in a few minutes of web searching.
>>>>>> It is perfectly true that any of us might have come up with that for
>>>>> ourselves if we had looked hard enough, but in this particular instance
>>>>> he didn't look very hard. He rarely does.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't hard to find facts about metalization. The mystery is why
>>>> you couldn't.
>>>
>>> I certainly could have done, but you'd made the claim - why should I bother?
>> 
>> Er, because you disputed the claim. And got it wrong.
>
>I didn't actually dispute the claim - I just said that I hadn't heard 
>that mixed zinc and aluminium metalisation was ever used.
>
>After I'd dug into the pile of links that John Larkin had posted - 
>apparently without bothering to read any of them - I found one example 
>of mixed use - when a thin layer of aluminium metalisation was used to 
>provide better substrate for a slightly thicker layer of zinc.
>
>It's not exactly mixed use - all the aluminium substrate does is provide 
>a firmer foundation for the zinc layer that does all the work.
>
>I didn't "get it wrong" no matter how much you would like to see it that 
>way, but rather provoked an eventually more informative answer, not that 
>John Larkin contributed all that he might have done to the process.

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                Re: Surplus electricity john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-27 11:43 -0700
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                Re: Surplus electricity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 09:04 -0700
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                Re: Surplus electricity "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-05 01:55 -0400
                Re: Surplus electricity Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-05 16:57 +1000
                Re: Surplus electricity Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-03-26 18:30 +0000
                Re: Surplus electricity Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-28 02:15 +1100
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              Re: Surplus electricity Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-03-27 15:22 -0700
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