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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:19:18 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/28/17, 11:37 AM, in article op.yze4pbmmjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:07:00 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/28/17, 9:51 AM, in article op.yzezrwg0js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Would love to see a link showing one for a price not too much more than a
>>>>>>> hard drive of that size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't say it was the same price as a hard disk, I said it was a
>>>>>> feasible price.  Since it's a hell of a lot faster, it's worth paying a
>>>>>> bit extra. 1TB of SSD is about £220.  1TB of hard disk is about £45.  So
>>>>>> only £175 for a HUGE speed increase.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is close to 5x the price. I am not denying the benefit but there is
>>>>> quite a difference there.
>>>>>
>>>> 5x is a big difference if it was the total price, but it's only one
>>>> component.
>>>>
>>> It is the total price of the component we are talking about.
>>
>> No, we're considering someone buying a whole computer with or without an SSD.
>
> Well, you can get SSD and Fusion drives on Macs. So no issue there.

I thought you said they didn't do SSDs.

>>> But, sure, as I have said I wish Apple would move to better drives. And a
>>> better file system for that matter. I have been saying that for years. With
>>> APFS they are finally getting the better file system -- but even with that it
>>> is new and I am sure still needs maturing.
>>>
>> Didn't Apple change around the same time as Windows went from FAT to NTFS?
>
> They updated their old file system, but it was still tied to the old one
> (from HFS to HFS+... and they have made some other changes). It is LONG past
> time they moved to a better one. They are currently in the process and iOS
> just migrated to it, but macOS has not.

So like FAT to FAT32?  Egad!

> And you will not see me apologizing for Apple being behind here. Not that I
> think it is the worst thing in the world (the slow drives are a bigger
> issue) I think they have been FAR too slow to get to where they are now in
> terms of file systems.

It's one company versus 100s of PC manufacturers.  Which is a main reason why I go with PCs.  Choice, competition.

>>>> You need to look at the cost compared to the whole machine.  And consider
>>>> that a cheaper machine would have a smaller SSD so wouldn't be so much price
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>> I agree Apple should include better drives. It is absurd to sell an iMac with
>>> a 5400 RPM drive in it.
>>>
>>>> I don't know anyone who would buy a new machine nowadays with no SSD in it,
>>>> it's like night and day.
>>>>
>>> Even a Fusion drive would make sense for most... closer to the cost of the
>>> hard drive and most of the benefits of the SSD (though if you are like me and
>>> use a lot of VMs and the like you will run into issues).
>>
>> I have a lot of stuff stored on my computer.  I have an SSD and a hard disk.
>> I use the SSD for most things and the hard disk for storing huge data files.
>>
>> Well it's two of each actually as they're mirrored.  I hate hard disk
>> failures.  Also makes upgrading easy.  Simply pull out one of them (even with
>> the computer running) and stick in a bigger one.  Wait for it to duplicate the
>> data, then do the same with the other one.  Then instruct the driver to expand
>> the partition to fill the now larger drives.
>
> I use Time Machine as a backup. My wife's hard drive died -- so I created a
> second account on one of my kid's machine and just migrated her account.
> Then she got a MacBook Air with a smaller SSD and I migrated her account to
> there, but left out some items because of the smaller drive.
>
> All worked very well.
>
> As far me I have been migrating my account from one computer to the next
> since before OS X even existed. Should likely do a clean install one of
> these years.

I didn't freshly install for about 17 years.  Just kept upgrading the OS from Windows 95 on a 486 all the way to Windows 8 on an i5 and swapping one component at a time, whichever was the bottleneck.

-- 
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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:51 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 16:06 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 00:57 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:23 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 14:12 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 09:47 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 17:51 +0100
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 11:07 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 19:37 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 20:44 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:56 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 21:18 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:19 -0700

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