Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.
Date	2017-04-28 14:19 -0700
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On 4/28/17, 1:18 PM, in article op.yze9dcf2js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:56:38 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/28/17, 12:44 PM, in article op.yze7r1pejs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>>> No, we're considering someone buying a whole computer with or without an
>>>>> SSD.
>>>>> 
>>>> Well, you can get SSD and Fusion drives on Macs. So no issue there.
>>> 
>>> I thought you said they didn't do SSDs.
>> 
>> Not by default but they are there as an option.
> 
> They're living in the past.  They should at least have the OS on a small SSD.
> I used to build custom computers and the default was an SSD for the OS and
> major applications, and a hard disk for large data.

I would just go with a Fusion drive on the low end and then SSD as an
upgrade option. The default of a hard drive -- and a SLOW one at that -- is
insane.

Been a while since I bought a Mac so I just checked to see if that was still
what they did. It is.

  <https://www.apple.com/imac/specs/>
    -----
    1TB (5400-rpm) hard drive
    Configurable up to 1TB Fusion Drive or 256GB of flash storage (SSD)
    -----

The cost to go from the hard drive to the Fusion Drive is $100. I think it
used to be worse.

...
>>>>> Didn't Apple change around the same time as Windows went from FAT to NTFS?
>>>>> 
>>>> They updated their old file system, but it was still tied to the old one
>>>> (from HFS to HFS+... and they have made some other changes). It is LONG
>>>> past time they moved to a better one. They are currently in the process and
>>>> iOS just migrated to it, but macOS has not.
>>> 
>>> So like FAT to FAT32?  Egad!
>> 
>> Well, without the use of 8.3 in the background, sorta. :)
> 
> Did they get rid of those blasted forks?

Supported but optional (and not used much). APFS (the new file system)
supports "extended object attributes" -- which includes backwards support
for forks if you still use them but allows for much more robust meta-data
(not that I know the full details of it).

>>>> And you will not see me apologizing for Apple being behind here. Not that I
>>>> think it is the worst thing in the world (the slow drives are a bigger
>>>> issue) I think they have been FAR too slow to get to where they are now in
>>>> terms of file systems.
>>>> 
>>> It's one company versus 100s of PC manufacturers.  Which is a main reason
>>> why I go with PCs.  Choice, competition.
>>> 
>> I see Apple as one of those choices... and they generally serve me better.
>> They offer the tools that let me do more for less money.
>> 
> They are not a choice of many.  They are a single choice for making a mac.  I
> consider that unwise.  It's a monopoly.

They are a choice for a desktop computer (or laptop, etc.). And for me they
offer the best capabilities at the lowest price. If someone beats them on
that, though, I would happily move (and I do use Windows and Linux, too).

...

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:51 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 16:06 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 00:57 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:23 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 14:12 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 09:47 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 17:51 +0100
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 11:07 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 19:37 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 20:44 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:56 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 21:18 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:19 -0700

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