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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 4/28/17, 11:37 AM, in article op.yze4pbmmjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:07:00 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/28/17, 9:51 AM, in article op.yzezrwg0js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Would love to see a link showing one for a price not too much more than a
>>>>>> hard drive of that size.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't say it was the same price as a hard disk, I said it was a
>>>>> feasible price.  Since it's a hell of a lot faster, it's worth paying a
>>>>> bit extra. 1TB of SSD is about £220.  1TB of hard disk is about £45.  So
>>>>> only £175 for a HUGE speed increase.
>>>>> 
>>>> It is close to 5x the price. I am not denying the benefit but there is
>>>> quite a difference there.
>>>> 
>>> 5x is a big difference if it was the total price, but it's only one
>>> component.
>>> 
>> It is the total price of the component we are talking about.
> 
> No, we're considering someone buying a whole computer with or without an SSD.

Well, you can get SSD and Fusion drives on Macs. So no issue there.

>> But, sure, as I have said I wish Apple would move to better drives. And a
>> better file system for that matter. I have been saying that for years. With
>> APFS they are finally getting the better file system -- but even with that it
>> is new and I am sure still needs maturing.
>> 
> Didn't Apple change around the same time as Windows went from FAT to NTFS?

They updated their old file system, but it was still tied to the old one
(from HFS to HFS+... and they have made some other changes). It is LONG past
time they moved to a better one. They are currently in the process and iOS
just migrated to it, but macOS has not.

And you will not see me apologizing for Apple being behind here. Not that I
think it is the worst thing in the world (the slow drives are a bigger
issue) I think they have been FAR too slow to get to where they are now in
terms of file systems.

>>> You need to look at the cost compared to the whole machine.  And consider
>>> that a cheaper machine would have a smaller SSD so wouldn't be so much price
>>> difference.
>>> 
>> I agree Apple should include better drives. It is absurd to sell an iMac with
>> a 5400 RPM drive in it.
>> 
>>> I don't know anyone who would buy a new machine nowadays with no SSD in it,
>>> it's like night and day.
>>> 
>> Even a Fusion drive would make sense for most... closer to the cost of the
>> hard drive and most of the benefits of the SSD (though if you are like me and
>> use a lot of VMs and the like you will run into issues).
> 
> I have a lot of stuff stored on my computer.  I have an SSD and a hard disk.
> I use the SSD for most things and the hard disk for storing huge data files.
> 
> Well it's two of each actually as they're mirrored.  I hate hard disk
> failures.  Also makes upgrading easy.  Simply pull out one of them (even with
> the computer running) and stick in a bigger one.  Wait for it to duplicate the
> data, then do the same with the other one.  Then instruct the driver to expand
> the partition to fill the now larger drives.

I use Time Machine as a backup. My wife's hard drive died -- so I created a
second account on one of my kid's machine and just migrated her account.
Then she got a MacBook Air with a smaller SSD and I migrated her account to
there, but left out some items because of the smaller drive.

All worked very well.

As far me I have been migrating my account from one computer to the next
since before OS X even existed. Should likely do a clean install one of
these years.

>>> You're just slowing down the rest of the computer by a HUGE factor.  You're
>>> better paying more to get an SSD and having a slower something else like the
>>> CPU to make the total price the same.  Same goes for people who scrimp on
>>> RAM size.
>>> 
>> Overall I agree... I would be happier with a slower CPU and the faster drive.
>> 
> This needs to be noted in the history books, we are in agreement.

:)

You will not find me defending Apple for the sake of doing so. Where they do
well I note it. Where they screw up I note it. I have no dog in this race.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:51 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 16:06 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 00:57 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:23 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 14:12 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 09:47 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 17:51 +0100
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 11:07 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 19:37 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 20:44 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:56 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 21:18 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:19 -0700

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