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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 4/28/17, 12:22 PM, in article
f7adnc6VxdnEC57EnZ2dnUU7-UvNnZ2d@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"
<marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:

> On 2017-04-28, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/28/17, 6:30 AM, in article odvfv8$67p$1@dont-email.me, "Jonathan N.
>>> Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>>> That was my point. With Apple you pay a premium price for mid-range
>>>> hardware, that cannot be really upgraded, repaired, extended. Limited
>>>> range of options. But hey, what ever floats your boat, but saying they
>>>> are equivalent is contrary to facts.
>>> 
>>> When you compare COMPARABLE systems Macs tend to be competitive. That does
>>> not mean you cannot get a PC for less money -- you have more customization
>>> options and can *not* get the things you do not want or need.
>> 
>> Whoa, wait a minute! Compare COMPARABLE systems? For the same money I
>> has MORE system not less. Double monitors helps with my workflow. Yes my
>> video card play games better but being able add faster and larger drives
>> really improves is a boon. Oops sorry I don't have IR. By why would I,
>> got BlueTooth or WiFi a much better near field access.
>> 
>>> 
>>> And, of course, there are pros and cons to each beyond that. If you are a
>>> gamer then a Mac is likely a lousy choice. For general desktop computing the
>>> Mac often has more streamlined workflows and fewer glitches (which is not to
>>> say none).
>>> 
>> 
>> Not that I noticed. The iMac at the library seems to have a glitchy
>> nVidia chipset video. If it were a real desktop I would be able to swap
>> out for a little as $30 as I did with some subpar Compaqs. The $500
>> Ubuntu desktop I build for a friend runs circles around the Mac mini
>> that she had foisted on her, (long story, she doing a collaborative
>> project with a colleague that is a mac fanboy).
> 
> I got two pretty good values in my last two laptop purchases. These are
> both pretty recent purchases.
> 
> One is the Lenovo T460p.
> 
> € Processor: Intel Core i5-6440HQ MB
> € Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64
> € Operating System Language: Windows 10 Home 64 English
> € Display: 14.0 FHD(1920x1080) IPS Non-Touch
> € Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 530
> € Memory: 16GB DDR4-2133MHz SODIMM
> € Camera: 720p HD Camera
> € Keyboard: Keyboard Backlit - English
> € Pointing Device: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint
> Reader
> € Security Chip: Software TPM Enabled
> € First Hard Drive: 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm, 2.5", SATA3
> € Battery: ThinkPad Battery 6 cell Li-Ion (72Wh) Cyl HC Rear
> € Power Cord: 90W AC Adapter (2pin) - US
> € Wireless: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC(2x2) 8260, Bluetooth Version 4.1
> vPro
> € Integrated Mobile Broadband: Qualcomm Snapdragon X7 LTE-A (Sierra
> Wireless EM7455)
> € Display Panel: T460p FHD IPS AG WW PAINT
> € Language Pack: Publication - English
> € Warranty: 1 Year Depot or Carry-in
> € Warranty services 3 Years: 3Y Onsite NBD upgrade from 1Y Depot/CCI
> € Power accessories: ThinkPad 90W AC Adapter (Slim Tip) - W550s, T550,
> T450, T450s, T540p, T440p, T440, T440s, T431s, X250, X240, X1 Carbon
> 1st, 2nd & 3rd Gen, Helix, E455, E540, E550, E440, E540, E545, E531,
> E431, Yoga 11e, Thinkpad Yoga, L450, L540, L440,
> 
> I removed the 500 GB HD and replaced it with a Samsung 512 GB SSD for a
> little over $300.
> 
> The price of the laptop was $1,235.70 including tax and shipping. And
> that's with the 3 years of support ON-SITE that I have up in the parts
> list you see. Combine that with the $300 for the SSD and you're looking
> at $1,535. 
> 
> This also by the way includes a Wireless SnapDragon X7 Sierra Wireless
> which is a broadband mdoem. It has built in cellular modem for always
> connected access to the internet.
> 
> I'd like to see Apple come even remotely close to these specs. That i5
> is a Quad Core i5.
> 
> And by the way, they even offered a dedicated GPU as an option. I just
> didn't need it so I declined that item. These Lenovo laptops are a heck
> of a value. 
> 
> I also got lucky and a bought a Dell Latitude 7370 on their refurb list
> for a mere $649. This is a $2,000 laptop. 1 KG, 1920 x 1080, also with a
> cellular modem built in. 8 GB of RAM, 256 SSD, and a dual core m7. It's
> fanless and light and I love it. It too comes with 3 years on site and
> that was only $650 on their refurb site. I'm been using it almost daily
> ever since with no problem. Runs Fedora 25 very well.

I do wish Apple would move to having systems with more options and make it
easier to work on after the sale (though having the hardware and software be
closely tied together does have advantages). For me, though, it is more
important what I can do with a system than what the specs are.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 12:25 -0700
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