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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.apps |
| Subject | Re: For sale... |
| Date | 2011-03-03 04:55 -0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <030320110455493480%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <020320111639244487%nospam@nospam.invalid> <ikmrri$59t$1@news.albasani.net> <timstreater-0150B7.11351103032011@news.individual.net> <030320110343369708%nospam@nospam.invalid> <timstreater-F76795.12271103032011@news.individual.net> |
In article <timstreater-F76795.12271103032011@news.individual.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> wrote: > > > But there are far too many settings, that's the trouble. And I'm still > > > waiting to be told why a DSLR with a mirror prism, and only APS-C sensor > > > size, weighs so much more than my 90s Pentax that has a glass prism and > > > is full-frame. > > > > it doesn't. it's roughly the same weight and size, sometimes less. i > > don't have time at the moment to dig up specs, maybe later. > > Pentax M-ZM: 340gm (full frame film) > Pentax K100D: 686gm (APS-C) olympus e-420: 426g, 130 x 53 x 91mm (digital) nikon d40x: 522g, 124 x 64 x 94mm (digital) nikon fm: 590g, 142 x 60.5 x 89.5mm (film) nikon f5: 1210g, 158 x 149 x 79mm (film) <http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Olympus/oly_e450.asp> <http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d40x.asp> <http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonfmseries/f m/spec.htm> <http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/filmcamera/slr/f5/spec. htm> > Both weighed with batteries and without lens. I rest my case. see above. note that the nikon fm lacks a power winder, autofocus and auto exposure, and yet it's still bigger and heavier. a digital slr includes all that. keep in mind that the nikon fm was considered one of the smaller film slrs at the time, along with the pentax mx and olympus om-1. also with a film slr, you must carry rolls of film (and keep them cool). with digital, you can have thousands and thousands of photos on a few flash cards that fit in a pocket, making the difference in size even more dramatic. > > > In 1967 I bought a Voightl2er Vitomatic with an F2 lens. It had a > > > selenium light-meter (no batteries needed), you aligned the pointers for > > > correct exposure. Then it had a "light-ring", can't think of a better > > > term, anyway you rotated that and it adjusted shutter speed and f-stop > > > simultaneously to keep correct exposure. You could see both those > > > settings also in the viewfinder. Very easy to use and I still miss it - > > > it was stolen in Bari in 1970. > > > > digital slrs have a control wheel that can adjust both if you want. > > On some models. just about all of them can do it. > > or one or the other. they're as simple or as complex as you want them to > > be, and vastly more capable. however, they are battery dependent, but > > they can take 1000-2000 shots per charge, so it's not a big deal. > > If you want a quality device you're going to get something that's > over-complicated. nope. there are decent quality cameras that are not overly complicated. > And even if you can configure it to the level you > want, will it stay that way? The viewfinder is still going to be full of > information you don't want, overcrowding the info you do want. nope again. viewfinders are often criticized for too little information, not too much. > On our wedding day, a brilliantly sunny day, all the dslr's failed in > any shot containing either the cake of the wedding dress. Completely > blown out. By contrast the professional fotog, using a medium-format > film camera, had no trouble at all. all the dslrs used by guests who probably had no idea how to take wedding photos, you mean? i *guarantee* you that if the professional photographer was using any of the digital slrs that any of the guests had, he would have been able to get quality results, because he knows what he's doing.
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