Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday
Date	2024-07-31 13:41 +0000
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Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc
>>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>    Ah ... wunnerful Winders  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>    It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ...
>>>>
>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic
>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture.
>>>
>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo.
>> 
>> You mean polkit?
> 
>        No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0."
> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/>
>        Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even
> more problems.  "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su".
> which invoked superuser privileges.

su still exists, even on Ubuntu systems.  It's just that Ubuntu's 'user 
docs' (as they are) only talk about sudo, and you know the old saying:

Learn Ubuntu and you learn Ubuntu, learn Slackware and you learn Unix.

> You had to use  your root account password but Ubuntu decided that 
> was dangerous so to invoke the same privileges you can use your user 
> accont passwork.

sudo long predates Ubuntu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo> (initial 
release "around 1980").  

>        Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too
> much of their projected userbase to remember User account
> password and root password.

For traditional Unix systems (multiple users all logged on to the same 
system at the same time) the /premise/ of sudo provides some value add.  
You can grant individual, more trusted, users rights to do things as 
root, without having to share the root password with them in order to 
do so.

For typical Ubuntu setups (single user who is system owner and the only 
user) sudo adds no value add over just becoming root via su (other 
than, as you say, not having to remember a 'root' password).

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