Re: Linux at scale

From	Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Linux at scale
Date	2024-08-04 08:42 -0700
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On 8/4/24 05:35, vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
> <v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc
>>>>
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Ah ... wunnerful Winders  :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic
>>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture.
>>>>
>>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo.
>>>
>>> You mean polkit?
>>
>> 	No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0."
>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/>
>> 	Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even
>> more problems.  "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su".
>> which invoked superuser privileges.  You had to use  your root
>> account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke
>> the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork.
>> 	Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too
>> much of their projected userbase to remember User account
>> password and root password.
> 
> Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's
> just "different".
> 
> You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do
> for my personal systems.  Requiring the user password is default,
> and works better for systems with shared administration where
> you have to control what the person runs.
> 
> For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need
> "root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and
> clever key management on the target host.  Another way to
> handle it is separate usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have
> their own home directory, but uid/gid 0.
> 
> Quite a few of our systems are multi-user.  Even used to have
> a customer shell server until demand for that dried up.  Right
> now, one system is used by employees who need to run tools that
> interface with our back end systems.  Login credentials are handled
> with Active Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8).
> 
>> 	The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su".
>>
>> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11
> 
> Nice!  I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for
> most home users, as well as enterprise desktops.
> 
> For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about
> it, but I can use it from Linux through the web site.  Same
> goes for MS Office.
> 
> The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best
> Buy and expect them to help with a problem.  The legendary
> "year of the Linux desktop" won't happen until there's some
> kind of _local_ support network in place.  And a lot of folks
> will get help with their Windows systems from a relative, who
> is more likely to have Windows experience than Linux chops.
> 
	Well that Local Support group is available all over
the place. It is called the Internet and Linux Users Groups.
I used to be the placeholder whe went into a local cafe
and held down space for the other users attending. Nearly
all Metropolitan areas have local Computer Users Groups
and I living in San Francisco am a member more or less
of SF-LUG ,but I write a Linux News Column for the Champaign-
Urbana Users Group, CUCUG. Aslo in online support we have
a very good PCLinuxOS Users Forum where we users converge
with coders and with packagers for help and to help where
we are competent with our problems on our Laptops and
other machines.  One of the now-passed members even had
his own brand of desktop to sell to anyone who could not
run for whatever reason PCLinuxOS on the machines available
to them. At SF-LUG we had a capable hardware person before
Covid-19 Restrictions went into play.  We have had one real
life meeting since then just before the Delta Wave.
	Maybe SF-LUG will go back to in person meetings
at some point in the future but I started in my 60s and
now I am 87 and plagued with many long-term problems. So
if it happens soon enough maybe one more in person event
for me before I abandon Usenet and PCLinuxOS along with
the rest of the joys of life.

	bliss-as old as sin.

-- 
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

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