Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday

Subject	Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, talk.politics.misc, alt.security
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From	"26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net>
Organization	zippy gate
Date	2024-07-19 21:53 -0400
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On 7/19/24 7:18 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-07-19, 26yh.0712 <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/19/24 12:03 PM, yeti wrote:
>>
>>> I think redundancy, diversity and reducing complexity is the right
>>> answer.
>>
>>     But it's an answer apparently very difficult
>>     to arrive at. Corps/managers don't WANT to
>>     pay for "diversity" or "redundancy" and,
>>     as with almost any kind of system "complexity"
>>     (and thus 'opacity') always increases.
> 
> This is often by design.  Complexity is a weapon -
> it ties your victims - and competitors - in knots,
> and makes it easy to hide all sorts of nasty stuff.
> This has been known by politicians and bureaucrats
> for centuries.

   'Complexity' CAN be a sort of weapon ... but in the
   whole computer universe - and I got in pre-PCs -
   we're mostly looking at 'feature creep' ... with
   every developer thinking they're doing good. I've
   writ enough complicated software - and then you
   get back to it and it's "Oh ... wouldn't it be
   great if it could do *this* and *that* and look
   nicer ?". Pretty soon you have spaghetti code even
   you yourself can't follow nor find all the possible
   flaws within.

   Winders is a good example. It is said that the last
   old guy who could hold the whole system in his head,
   anticipate actions/reactions, retired right after
   Win2K. Since then ......

   Linux/Unix is, or can be, "better" ... but even
   most Linux distros now are quite large and complex
   and way too heavy on GUI bells and whistles. Now
   idiots have messed up even Debian, probably hired
   some rejects from Canonical, much more complication
   and absolutely pointless deviations from the old
   norms. We need a genuine FORK, built starting from
   maybe BullsEye, maybe even Buster, but now there
   are just SO many distros .........

>>     Big-Money Biz should stick to some kind of Unix
>>     or Linux (pref WITHOUT systemd). Winders looks
>>     pretty and seems friendly - but then so does
>>     a tiger until ......
> 
> Hmmm, reminds me of the ending of the movie "Don't Look Up"...

   NOT sure I've ever seen that one ....

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