Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday
Date	2024-07-31 11:17 +0100
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 31/07/2024 10:23, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 31/07/2024 06:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su".
>>> which invoked superuser privileges.  You had to use  your root
>>> account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke
>>> the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork.
>>>       Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too
>>> much of their projected userbase to remember User account
>>> password and root password.
>>
>> Sudo allowed tailored access by certain users to certain root
>> privileges, that su did not.
>>
>> It's a reasonable admin tool for a multiuser system.
>>
>> But who tuns a true multiuser system these days especially one where
>> users can do simple admin?
> 
> Even disregarding hobbyists, more than zero but I expect the number is
> indeed rather small.
> 
> There’s a few points here:
> 
> * You can still set a root password and use ‘su’ on Ubuntu systems if
>    that’s what you want. Canonical are not enforcing a policy here, just
>    setting a default.
> 
> * The ‘sudo instead of su’ model is common everwhere, not just Ubuntu; I
>    expect the motivation for the default setup on Ubuntu is
>    simplification, not any theories about who can remember how many
>    passwords.
> 
> * Trusting sudo to enforce the a tailored access model is somewhat
>    optimistic given its CVE record, and the general record of the setuid
>    model that underpins it.
> 
> * By escaping the setuid model run0 may improve on this issue, though it
>    brings other kinds of complexity with it; how it balances out is
>    probably a question for a few years time.
> 
> * In the single-user context, sudo effectively creates the model that
>    your single user account has privileges equivalent to root, but that
>    you must explicitly mark any privileged operation. The former is just
>    acknowledging reality, the latter is a useful guard against accidents.
> 
+1 to all of that.

I use sudo if its just one thing I need to do, but if its messing with 
config files and restarting daemons, I use su -

-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 23:30 -0400
                Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-18 04:48 +0000
                Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 01:17 -0400
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  Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Anna <tygerbryght@proton.me> - 2024-07-19 11:09 -0500
    Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 23:00 -0400
  Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> - 2024-07-19 16:24 +0000
    Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 23:04 -0400
      Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-07-20 08:04 -0500
        Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-21 10:17 +1000
          Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:59 +0000
            Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-07-21 16:11 +1000
          Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-07-21 05:46 -0500
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