Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday
Date	2024-07-21 18:36 +0000
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:37:13 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-07-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 16:05:05 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>
>>> Pushing an update for privileged software to tens of thousands of
>>> systems all at once is never a good idea. It should have been done in
>>> stages starting with a small number of systems, with verification that
>>> it was working properly at each stage of the roll out.
>>
>> Canary testing is definitely beneficial. Even worse, our support people
>> are indoctrinated from Day One that unless the system is completely
>> broken and can't get any worse never push out updates on Friday when
>> everyone is headed to the beach.
> 
> What is it you find so bad about not updating on a Friday?

I don't think you what you wrote is what you intended. Anyway for most 
organizations Friday is the end of the week and people are more focused on 
planning their weekend. If there is IT support on the weekend it is an 
oncall situation and they are not actually at their desks. In the 
CrowdStrike scenario that really hurts since a remote reboot doesn't work.

Too put it colloquially, people really don't want to deal with shit on 
Friday and that goes for more than software updates. Sure, in this case 
where the system is completely FUBAR they have to but the response time is 
slower.

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            Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-21 16:37 +0000
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