Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday

From	vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject	Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday
Date	2024-07-23 02:00 +0000
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 16:49:59 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
wrote in <v7m2jn$nqfd$2@dont-email.me>:

> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, Rich wrote:
>> 
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:36:06 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2024-07-21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:08:50 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But immediately ruling out this scenario for Linux systems sounds
>>>>>>> quite unrealistic to me. (And, from what I've read yesterday, I got
>>>>>>> the impression that there had been a similar incident with Linux
>>>>>>> systems, but I didn't study that further.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. But remember, the various pieces of a Linux system are just
>>>>>> inherently put together in a more modular, flexible fashion, and that
>>>>>> includes systemd. That does reduce the chance for trouble quite
>>>>>> significantly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, there is one notable piece of software in Linux systems that's
>>>>> quite monolithic, unless something has changed and I didn't get the
>>>>> memo: the kernel itself.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s always been modular. Look up “Linux kernel modules”:
>>>
>>> Ah, no.  Although one does have to time travel back to circa 1994 to 
>>> find a Linux kernel that did not have the modules subsystem.  But it 
>>> has not "always" been modular.  
>>>
>>> Back in those days we had to recompile the kernel to turn on drivers 
>>> that one's distro did not compile in by default.  And compiling the 
>>> kernel on a 386 was a multi hour proposition.
>> 
>> The modular part, AFAIK, only applies to having the separate files and
>> loading and unloading. Isn't it still a monolithic process in-memory?
> 
> For that, one starts delving into semantics, which I'm trying to avoid.  
> For those "literal thinking art students" like Lawrence, the mere fact 
> that the word "module" is used to name the loadable code files means 
> the kernel must be "not-monolithic".
> 
>> Or, for what matters for the topic of this thread: if code in a module
>> crashes, how can the rest of the kernel continue running?
> 
> It can't, just about any (unexpected) CPU protection fault while 
> running ring 0 (kernel) mode code (whether in the main kernel or code 
> from a loaded module) results in a kernel panic and halt of the system.  
> But that fact does not lend any evidence for, or against, whether the 
> kernel itself is "modular".

I recently was starting up a game, which triggered rebuild of
DXVK shaders for the game.  The nvidia module freaked out, wreaking
havoc on the kernel, and freezing the display.

I was able to ssh in, dump dmesg output to a file, and reboot.  For
those interested in what that can look like, the dmesg.txt.gz
can be found in this post on the developer forum:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/550-78-release-feedback-discussion-thread/291665/12?u=scott-nv

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