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Re: Accents.

From The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Accents.
Date 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
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On 31/10/2025 13:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
>>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
>>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the
>>> action was taking place in Spain.
>>
>> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like
>> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an
>> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) 
>> would
>> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for
>> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan
>> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe
>> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...)
> 
> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. 
> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker 
> of those languages, just some words.
> 
> But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem.
> 
>>
>> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching 
>> a TV
>> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s,
>> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose
>> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main
>> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers,
>> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a
>> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of
>> regional speech.
>>
>> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka
>> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they
>> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it
>> got a bit easier ...
> 
> A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble 
> understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent is 
> quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we 
> understand them.
> 
> 
It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and 
is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives 
in central Germany.
> 
People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand 
unless you have been around them  a long time, which is why RP - 
essentially the dialect of the home counties near London - was taught as 
a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism decreed this to be 
discriminatory against people with accents.

And there are some very very bad ones. I found one tech support person 
who sounded black and female to be completely unintelligible with some 
sort of elided glottal stopped mush of Estuary English.

-- 
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and 
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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                Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:19 +0000
                Re: Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
                Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:42 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
                Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
                Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
                Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
                Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:25 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:04 +0100
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
                Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
                Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
                Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
                Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:46 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:40 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:48 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 19:15 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:23 +0100
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:13 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:17 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:21 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:29 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:13 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:19 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 23:16 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:10 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:17 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:26 -0500
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:10 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:15 +0000
                Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:15 +0000
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
                Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
                Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
                Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
                Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
                Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
                Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
                Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
                Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
            OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
              Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
                Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
              Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000

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