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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:01:54 +0000, owl wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/17, 6:46 PM, in article avz89c3.ajvic@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/17, 5:08 PM, in article lazv90g.ab@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/5/17, 1:39 PM, in article azkci893a.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> So "duplicate" makes a duplicate but doesn't delete the
>>>>>>>>>> original, and "save as" creates a copy and doesn't delete the
>>>>>>>>>> original; but "duplicate" and "save as" "do different things." 
>>>>>>>>>> Granny is confused.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> First, with no sarcasm or insult, I commend you for admitting to
>>>>>>>>> an area of computing you are ignorant about. All too often in
>>>>>>>>> COLA people see that as a weakness and refuse to do so. You have
>>>>>>>>> little experience with such systems... and even if you did you
>>>>>>>>> still might not know.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But before we get to the differences, I want to make sure you
>>>>>>>>> realize that we are now talking about multiple features here:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * Renaming a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>>>> * Moving a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>>>> * Labeling a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>>>> * Duplicating a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>>>> * Saving a file (which can only be done if open)
>>>>>>>>> * Saving as a new file (which can only be done if open)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What is the difference between "duplicating" an open file and
>>>>>>>> "save as"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Again, happy to answer but first want to make sure you are clear of
>>>>>>> the basics: NEITHER is the same as moving, renaming, or labeling of
>>>>>>> a file. That is what we were discussing before you moved the topic
>>>>>>> to Duplicating vs.
>>>>>>> Save / Save As.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, no answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I spoke about features A, B, and C. You moved goal posts to features
>>>>> D and E (which are closely tied with F). You want to know how D and E
>>>>> are different.
>>>>> Fine. But since you moved goal posts to those features and did so in
>>>>> a way that suggested you did not understand you moved goal posts I
>>>>> want to make sure you understand before we delve into your side
>>>>> topic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have asked you multiple times and you are just lost. So be it. You
>>>>> are lost.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just face it.  Apple screwed up an put in differently named menu
>>>>>> items that do the same thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope. Not the case at all, but I accept YOU do not understand the
>>>>> difference and are ignorant enough of basic file tasks where you show
>>>>> no understanding you even jumped topics.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, AGAIN, do you understand that renaming and moving and labeling a
>>>>> file (what we were first talking about) are DIFFERENT features than
>>>>> the Saving and Duplicating files (the topics you jumped to). If no,
>>>>> which it seems, then I am happy to explain the difference. If yes,
>>>>> though, then we can jump forward on your side issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not putting you down for thread drift. Not putting you down for not
>>>>> understanding features you do no use. But for crying out loud, if you
>>>>> are going to ask questions then be open with what you do and do not
>>>>> know so we do not end up in the type of circus this is becoming.
>>>> 
>>>> So you're not going to answer.
>>> 
>>> I already have multiple times, including above. If you care to stop
>>> pushing your circus here and have a conversation I am open to it. If
>>> not let us end this discussion here.
>>> 
>>>> And the reason is obvious.  "Duplicate" an open file means the exact
>>>> same thing as "Save As..."
>>> 
>>> For folks such as you who show not understanding of either, no less why
>>> they are different than renaming and moving a file, sure. Once you
>>> understand why these two are different than the topics we were
>>> discussing, though, you will be ready to understand how they are
>>> different. But you are not interested in that, so, sure, for someone at
>>> a novice level who cannot understand such things and is confused by all
>>> of this, yes, they are FUNCTIONALLY the same... unusable.
>>> 
>>>> They may as well have had menu items for tables and sheets.
>>> 
>>> They who? You keep jumping topics from one thing to the other...
>>> showing very poor understanding or desire to even learn. So be it.
>>> 
>>> Hey, call Marek into the conversation... I bet he will be happy to join
>>> you in mocking me over his ignorance over these topics. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>> This one must really hurt.  I haven't seen you dance so hard in a long
>> time.
> 
> I hope you're not surprised.  "Snit" has been barely keeping it together 
> for over a week now.
> 
> There was even one point where he claimed newgroup denizens were 
> "immoral" without a hint of irony.  I guess he doesn't read his own sig 
> anymore...he's un-self-aware and tone-deaf.
> 
> ObLinux:
> ICEDAX(1)           General Commands Manual           ICEDAX(1)
> 
> NAME
>        icedax  -  a  sampling  utility that dumps CD audio data
>        into wav sound files
> 

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