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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

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On 4/5/17, 6:54 PM, in article avz804.bud3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 4/5/17, 6:34 PM, in article aiv00alkg.ay@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/17, 5:12 PM, in article azcv003gabu.dji@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> So absolutely, without a doubt, the different tables on the sheet serve a
>>>> FUNCTIONAL purpose... one that is key to the tool being used.
>>>> 
>>>>> There is not one thing at the cell level that can be done in a sheet or
>>>>> table
>>>>> that cannot be done with the other.
>>>> 
>>>> Or by hand. Sure. So?
>>>> 
>>>>> If you insist otherwise, then name the numerical functions that are
>>>>> unavailable to one but available to the other.
>>>> 
>>>> You started by asking for the FUNCTIONAL difference between the two. Now
>>>> you
>>>> want to know the COMPUTATIONAL difference.
>>> 
>>> Computation is the primary function of a spreadsheet.  I'm sorry to
>>> have to tell you this, but making flyers takes a backseat.
>> 
>> Providing USERS with the results is the primary function -- without the
>> presentation there is little value to a spreadsheet. You keep leaving the
>> user out of the equation as to the value of a computer... but the computer
>> exists to serve the user.
>> 
>> Now this does not mean a user will always interact directly with the
>> spreadsheet... and in those cases things like sc, with their UIs which are
>> not really designed to be usable by the majority of users BUT which do far
>> better number crunching, are better tools.
>> 
>> Each has pros and cons. I have no issue with that.
>>  
>>>> That is easy, too!
>>>> 
>>>> A sheet offers ZERO capability to do ANY numerical function without the
>>>> addition of a table. ALL calculations are done in tables. ALL.
>>> 
>>> LOL!  Have you ever used any other spreadsheet besides Numbers?
>> 
>> The discussion here was about Numbers! No other spreadsheet that allows for
>> multiple tables on a sheet has even been mentioned.
> 
> Maybe you should have said from the outset that what Numbers calls a "sheet"
> is completely different from what every other spreadsheet program means
> by that term.

I have been clear from the start and when you showed confusion even went out
of my way to make a video to explain it to you and SHOW it to you.

You still missed it. OK. You are used to other terms and other paradigms.
Cool. I understood both. No harm done... do you understand it now?

If so then maybe we can move to your next area of confusion, the value of
being able to move and rename and open file, AND, if we get through that, we
can move to your third area of confusion: the difference between Save As...
and Duplicate.

I admire your desire to learn and your asking of questions... but you seem
to be getting quite uncomfortable with your lack of knowledge on these
things. If you want to take a break we can, and then we can tackle them one
at a time. No hurry.

And no offense meant in speaking of your ignorance of these things, I am
ignorant of many of the things you do. No shame in that. No insult in noting
that. It is simply a fact... we each have knowledge the other does not and
we can, if we choose, learn from each other.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:29 -0700
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 20:49 +0000
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 14:20 -0700
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 22:38 +0000
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:05 -0700
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 01:14 +0000
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:41 -0700
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 02:05 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 19:27 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 03:59 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:23 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:30 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 20:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:01 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 00:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:23 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:46 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:54 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:01 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:08 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-04-06 05:51 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 14:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-04-07 23:02 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 16:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 00:09 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-06 09:00 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 20:30 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 04:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:23 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:06 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 14:57 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 22:05 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:25 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 22:52 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 16:15 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 00:12 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:14 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:34 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:48 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:54 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:03 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 09:43 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 00:24 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 18:15 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 01:41 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 18:58 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 02:11 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 20:46 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 21:20 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 05:57 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 23:12 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-08 06:23 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 23:44 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-04-08 07:33 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-08 00:47 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 03:00 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 11:55 -0400
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 09:03 -0700
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:17 +0000
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:15 -0700
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:49 +0000
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:55 -0700
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:00 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:04 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-04-06 08:48 -0400
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 22:01 -0400
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            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 12:38 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-06 10:46 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 17:48 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-06 09:59 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 17:56 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-06 11:51 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 19:09 +0000
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          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:44 +0000
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