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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | aus.computers |
| Subject | Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour |
| Date | 2026-04-24 10:41 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <op.3n9dj4vabyq249@pvr2.lan> (permalink) |
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just did this one, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google >>>>>>>>>> You just ignored that >>>>>>>>> What, that you can't Google? >>>>>>>> I can and do google >>>>>>>> No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what >>>>>>>> you would get from a glorified pachinko machine >>>>>> There you go, ignoring that again >>>>> Yep. >>>> Because even you realise that you can never >>>> bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity >>> Nope. >> Yep > Glad you agree. Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your AI answer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The grok response accurately points out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume varys with the location, fuckwit >>>>>>>>>>>>> But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in >>>>>>>>>>>>> range of 425-450mL >>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does >>>>>>>>>>>>> and always matches a schooner. >>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't say that either >>>>>>>>>>> It says it over and over from the start: >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie >>>>>>>>>>> "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> Australian slang" >>>>>>>>>>> "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner" >>>>>>>>>>> "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners" >>>>>>>>>> Pity about >>>>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. >>>> Even you realise that you can never >>>> bullshit your way out of that stupid lie >>> Umm, That was your AI's lie. >> You haven't shown that it is a lie > Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your > Artificial Idiots. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag >>> But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS. >> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > Well yes, you are a bit. Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something >>>>>>>>> Like the USSD definition, >>>>>>>> There was no USSD definition >>>>>>>>> in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the part after the "--". >>>>>>>> Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE >>>>>>>> you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names >>>>>> That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is >>>>> 285ml in the NT like I quoted before. >>>> Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before >>> Your AI didn't know that. >> Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island > But you didn't, to it. Didn't need to, it worked that out for itself >>>>> It also says this which would >>>>> suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner >>>>> elsewhere in Aus: >>>>> "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally >>>>> understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options >>>>> often having a name unique to the region." >>>> That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>> artist >>> Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as >>> handle. >> It doesn't say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a >> bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a handle > It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may > come with a handle", Not with that particular volume they don't > but if you ever got out you'd have seenbeer glases with handles before > anyway. Not with that particular volume they don't > It's hillarious how wrong you are, We'll see... > here's one with "285ml" actually printed on the side! > https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914 Pity that says VINTAGE. you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>>>>> And neither does anything else that google turns up >>>> Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid >>>> claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Northern Territory's beer sizes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your question to the AI never mentioned any location. >>>>>>>>>>>> But it did accurately work out where I was getting that >>>>>>>>>>>> phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done >>>>>>>>>>> Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article >>>>>>>>>>> was what prompted your question. >>>>>>>>>> But it did work that out. So much for your >>>>>>>>>> stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty >>>>>>>>>>> Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide. >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does with >>>>>>>>> He says while snipping where it said that. >>>>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. >>>>>>>> Pity about the >>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. >>>>>>>> Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted >>>>>>>>> And replacing it with where talked about something else. >>>>>>>> Bullshit it talked about something else >>>>>>>>>>>>> It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could >>>>>>>>>>>>> be way off. >>>>>>>>>>>> But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was >>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even >>>>>>>>>>>> for the NT >>>>>>>>>>> Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial >>>>>>>>>>> Idiot's source is... nothing. >>>>>>>>>> Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>>> bullshit artist >>>>>>>>>>> No cites except the very ABC article that >>>>>>>>>>> prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy >>>>>>>>>>> of its statement since you can only guess where it might have >>>>>>>>>>> got the info from. >>>>>>>>>> Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>>> SOURCES >>>>>>>>> Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions, >>>>>>>> More of your barefaced lies on the random >>>>>>>>> which it probably paid attention to instead of better results >>>>>>>>> like the brewery I found. >>>>>>>> Bullshit it did and it basically said the same >>>>>>>> thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml >>>>>>> No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT, >>>>>> Which isnt where we are discussing, >>>>>> so is a completely useless result >>>>>>> and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other >>>>>>> sates. >>>>>>> Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway >>>>>> Corse it did when it named that explicitly >>>>>>> so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there. >>>>>> It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>>>> It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong. >>>> It didnt get where the term handle was used >>>> wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>> Did so too. >> How odd that you can't prove that > Did so too. Bullshit you ever did >>>> And you haven't extablished that the term >>>> handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either >>> Did so too. >> How odd that you can't prove that > Did so too. Bullshit you ever did >>>>>>> You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your >>>>>>> question: >>>>>> It clearly did >>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466 >>>>>>> So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found >>>>>>> the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here: >>>>>>> https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf >>>>>>> Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest: >>>>>>> "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume." >>>>>> Just because that fuckwit got that wrong... >>>>>> No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle >>>> Have fun listing anywhere that does >>> Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course! >> You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > The coroner knows it. Nope, just ignorantly CLAIMS that >>>>>>> So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact >>>>>>> article that prompted your question! >>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit >>>>>>> Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L! >>>>>> Wrong, as always >>>>>>> An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the >>>>>>> actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your >>>>>>> question, instead of that useless AI BS. >>>>>> The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong >>>>>> No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle >>>>> Hillarious! >>>> Pathetic!! >>> Well yes, you are a bit. >> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > Well yes, you are a bit. Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something >>>>> You had to ask what a handle of beer is, >>>> Because I had never heard that term >>>> used before for a measure of beer. >>>> The only thing that comes even close is >>>> a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I >>>> have heard plenty of times before >>> So obviously the brewery >> The brewery says nothing of the sort >> you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point. It never says that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>> and coroner know more than you, >> Even more pathetic than you usually manage >>> and as usual the AI doesn't know anything. >> Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist >>>>> but now you're denying what a brewery, >>>> It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island >>>>> and the coroner who first used the phrase, >>>> And got it wrong and even google proves that >>> They used the phrase and defined it, >> With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct >>> nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else. >> But not a shred of evidence that they got it right > Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead > of 285ml like they said? Its in the SOURCES, fuckwit >>>>> both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't >>>>> even say specificially where it got its definition from. >>>> More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES >>> No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any. >> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > Well yes, you are a bit. Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something >>>> And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either >>> They're trustworthy sources themselves, >> Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim >> which can't be substantiated anywhere > Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves? Yep, they just claim that and never say where they got that > Yeah, > and you prove when you say "Mindless bullshit" it doesn't mean > "you're absolutely right", which it obviously really does mean in > this discussion. Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something
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