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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
| Subject | Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour |
| Newsgroups | aus.computers |
| References | (14 earlier) <op.3n7cddr8byq249@pvr2.lan> <69e99709@news.ausics.net> <op.3n70lmptbyq249@pvr2.lan> <69eaa85e@news.ausics.net> <op.3n9dj4vabyq249@pvr2.lan> |
| Date | 2026-04-25 08:20 +1000 |
| Organization | Ausics - https://newsgroups.ausics.net |
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just did this one, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google > >>>>>>>>>>> You just ignored that > >>>>>>>>>> What, that you can't Google? > >>>>>>>>> I can and do google > >>>>>>>>> No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what >>>>>>>>> you would get from a glorified pachinko machine > >>>>>>> There you go, ignoring that again > >>>>>> Yep. > >>>>> Because even you realise that you can never >>>>> bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity > >>>> Nope. > >>> Yep > >> Glad you agree. > > Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your AI answer > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The grok response accurately points out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume varys with the location, fuckwit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of 425-450mL > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and always matches a schooner. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't say that either > >>>>>>>>>>>> It says it over and over from the start: > >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie > >>>>>>>>>>>> "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Australian slang" > >>>>>>>>>>>> "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner" > >>>>>>>>>>>> "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners" > >>>>>>>>>>> Pity about > >>>>>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. > >>>>> Even you realise that you can never >>>>> bullshit your way out of that stupid lie > >>>> Umm, That was your AI's lie. > >>> You haven't shown that it is a lie > >> Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your >> Artificial Idiots. > > You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag > >>>> But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS. > >>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > >> Well yes, you are a bit. > > Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something > >>>>>>>>>> Like the USSD definition, > >>>>>>>>> There was no USSD definition > >>>>>>>>>> in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the part after the "--". > >>>>>>>>> Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE >>>>>>>>> you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names > >>>>>>> That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is > >>>>>> 285ml in the NT like I quoted before. > >>>>> Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before > >>>> Your AI didn't know that. > >>> Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island > >> But you didn't, to it. > > Didn't need to, it worked that out for itself > >>>>>> It also says this which would >>>>>> suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner >>>>>> elsewhere in Aus: > >>>>>> "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally >>>>>> understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options >>>>>> often having a name unique to the region." > >>>>> That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>>> artist > >>>> Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as >>>> handle. > >>> It doesn't say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a >>> bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a handle > >> It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may >> come with a handle", > > Not with that particular volume they don't > >> but if you ever got out you'd have seenbeer glases with handles before >> anyway. > > Not with that particular volume they don't > >> It's hillarious how wrong you are, > > We'll see... > >> here's one with "285ml" actually printed on the side! > >> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914 > > Pity that says VINTAGE. Wow, your arguments have got even weaker than your AI's nonsense. That's just too cute to dispute. >>>>>>> And neither does anything else that google turns up > >>>>> Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid >>>>> claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Northern Territory's beer sizes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your question to the AI never mentioned any location. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But it did accurately work out where I was getting that >>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article >>>>>>>>>>>> was what prompted your question. > >>>>>>>>>>> But it did work that out. So much for your >>>>>>>>>>> stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty > >>>>>>>>>>>> Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide. > >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does with > >>>>>>>>>> He says while snipping where it said that. > >>>>>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. > >>>>>>>>> Pity about the > >>>>>>>>> A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state. > >>>>>>>>> Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted > >>>>>>>>>> And replacing it with where talked about something else. > >>>>>>>>> Bullshit it talked about something else > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be way off. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was >>>>>>>>>>>>> used > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the NT > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial >>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot's source is... nothing. > >>>>>>>>>>> Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>>>> bullshit artist > >>>>>>>>>>>> No cites except the very ABC article that >>>>>>>>>>>> prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy >>>>>>>>>>>> of its statement since you can only guess where it might have >>>>>>>>>>>> got the info from. > >>>>>>>>>>> Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>>>> SOURCES > >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions, > >>>>>>>>> More of your barefaced lies on the random > >>>>>>>>>> which it probably paid attention to instead of better results >>>>>>>>>> like the brewery I found. > >>>>>>>>> Bullshit it did and it basically said the same >>>>>>>>> thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml > >>>>>>>> No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT, > >>>>>>> Which isnt where we are discussing, >>>>>>> so is a completely useless result > >>>>>>>> and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other >>>>>>>> sates. > >>>>>>>> Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway > >>>>>>> Corse it did when it named that explicitly > >>>>>>>> so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there. > >>>>>>> It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >>>>>> It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong. > >>>>> It didnt get where the term handle was used >>>>> wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >>>> Did so too. > >>> How odd that you can't prove that > >> Did so too. > > Bullshit you ever did > >>>>> And you haven't extablished that the term >>>>> handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either > >>>> Did so too. > >>> How odd that you can't prove that > >> Did so too. > > Bullshit you ever did > >>>>>>>> You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your >>>>>>>> question: > >>>>>>> It clearly did > >>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466 > >>>>>>>> So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found >>>>>>>> the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here: > >>>>>>>> https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf > >>>>>>>> Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest: > >>>>>>>> "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume." > >>>>>>> Just because that fuckwit got that wrong... > >>>>>>> No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle > >>>>> Have fun listing anywhere that does > >>>> Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course! > >>> You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >> The coroner knows it. > > Nope, just ignorantly CLAIMS that So if you only believe AI BS, why believe anything else they claim? >>>>>>>> So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact >>>>>>>> article that prompted your question! > >>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit > >>>>>>>> Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L! > >>>>>>> Wrong, as always > >>>>>>>> An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the >>>>>>>> actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your >>>>>>>> question, instead of that useless AI BS. > >>>>>>> The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong >>>>>>> No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle > >>>>>> Hillarious! > >>>>> Pathetic!! > >>>> Well yes, you are a bit. > >>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > >> Well yes, you are a bit. > > Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something > >>>>>> You had to ask what a handle of beer is, > >>>>> Because I had never heard that term >>>>> used before for a measure of beer. > >>>>> The only thing that comes even close is >>>>> a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I >>>>> have heard plenty of times before > >>>> So obviously the brewery > >>> The brewery says nothing of the sort >>> you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >> You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point. > > It never says that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >>>> and coroner know more than you, > >>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > >>>> and as usual the AI doesn't know anything. > >>> Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist > >>>>>> but now you're denying what a brewery, > >>>>> It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island > >>>>>> and the coroner who first used the phrase, > >>>>> And got it wrong and even google proves that > >>>> They used the phrase and defined it, > >>> With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct > >>>> nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else. > >>> But not a shred of evidence that they got it right > >> Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead >> of 285ml like they said? > > Its in the SOURCES, fuckwit The SOURCES won't tell you what the coroner was thinking when they said that. >>>>>> both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't >>>>>> even say specificially where it got its definition from. > >>>>> More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES > >>>> No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any. > >>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage > >> Well yes, you are a bit. > > Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something > >>>>> And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either > >>>> They're trustworthy sources themselves, > >>> Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim >>> which can't be substantiated anywhere > >> Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves? > > Yep, they just claim that and never say where they got that So there was no point to you reading the article that prompted your question to the AI, since it was all just repeating the coroner's claims anyway. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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