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Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!
Date 2018-11-04 18:45 +0000
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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <y space !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>>>>>>> the net 
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> please note 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites
>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
>>>>>>> nothing about. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>>>>>>> ===============really ??
>>>>>>>> why 
>>>>>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
>>>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>>>>>>> (:-)
>>>>>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
>>>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
>>>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>>>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>>>>>>> but not 
>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>>>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>>>>>>> if they use
>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>>>>>>> or may be
>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>>>>>>> Sr 
>>>>>>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>>>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>>>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> now Bod
>>>>>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
>>>>>>>> about curved light near earth :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that is where mistakes started :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
>>>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>>>>>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
>>>>>>>> THEONLY MASS
>>>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
>>>>>>>> by analyzing the formula 
>>>>>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
>>>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
>>>>>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
>>>>>>>> the photon has mass
>>>>>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
>>>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
>>>>>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
>>>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> in the Edington experiment 
>>>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
>>>>>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
>>>>>>>> and earth has mass !!
>>>>>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
>>>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
>>>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
>>>>>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
>>>>>>>> to lead it around   our globe
>>>>>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
>>>>>>>> (look google 
>>>>>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
>>>>>>>> by Y  Porat
>>>>>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> bottom line  in short
>>>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
>>>>>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
>>>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
>>>>>>>> that NASA use 
>>>>>>>> for its interstellar  project 
>>>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
>>>>>>>> not because of f en curve space 
>>>>>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
>>>>>>>> and if you don't mind 
>>>>>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
>>>>>>>> not curved   space''   
>>>>>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>> ============> > TIA
>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>> ==================> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
>>>>>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
>>>>>> with my own creative  mind !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
>>>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
>>>>> that is a virtue. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> so !!
>>>>>> if we think about the 
>>>>>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
>>>>>> in the 'Eddington effect'
>>>>>> the light   em beam
>>>>>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
>>>>>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
>>>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> show those  calculations
>>>> and don't  hand wave !!
>>> 
>>> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
>>> radius of curvature and the relation between them?
>>> 
>>> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
>>> rotted past pointlessness. 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
>>>>>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
>>>>>> explain what is going  on
>>>>>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
>>>>>> and why is it that we need
>>>>>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
>>>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
>>>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
>>>>> up, with your “creative” mind.
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
>>>> and experimentally  
>>>> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
>>>> around globe 
>>>> but di t go on  curving the globe 
>>>> because  
>>> 
>>> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
>>> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
>>> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your
>>> head! It’s flat wrong! 
>>> 
>>> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it.
>> =
>> ===================
>> since you are such a great expert of curved  space 
>> please tell us 
>> how that curved space will  look  like 
>> all   around the   masses involved  in  the
>> Edington   experiment ??
> 
> I showed you how to do the calculation at the surface of the earth. Follow
> the same thing but use the mass and radius of the sun instead. Go ahead.
> It’s not hard. 

Silence from Porat. 

Or rather, a quick change of subject. 

> 
>> 
>> TIA
>> Y.Porat
>> ===========================
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> your f en  curved space 
>>>> did not exist 
>>>> all aground  our globe !!
>>>> 
>>>> and that partial deviation 
>>>> we had 
>>>> was because ordinary local interaction 
>>>> between  
>>>> mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
>>>> and in that beeam  going on
>>>> it dint find your   f en   curved space 
>>>> 
>>>> AND THEREFORE 
>>>> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
>>>>> -- 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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