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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! |
| Date | 2018-11-04 18:45 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <prneo9$1c9l$2@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> <y space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites >>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know >>>>>>> nothing about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>>> ===============really ?? >>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>> because you are playing chess with yourself ?? >>>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>>> (:-) >>>>>>>> waw !!it is very impressive >>>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You >>>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom & >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now Bod >>>>>>>> it is your turn to listen to me : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in Google many years ago !! >>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>> remember the Edington experiment >>>>>>>> about curved light near earth : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that is where mistakes started : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>> I was considered that light has no mass '' >>>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that >>>>>>>> PHOTONS HAS MASS >>>>>>>> THEONLY MASS >>>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS >>>>>>>> by analyzing the formula >>>>>>>> E photon-hf (plank ) >>>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it >>>>>>>> you find to your surprise that >>>>>>>> the photon has mass >>>>>>>> AND NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS >>>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !! >>>>>>>> AND NOT BY zERO !! >>>>>>>> SO >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in the Edington experiment >>>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space >>>>>>>> but because photons has mass the only mass!! >>>>>>>> and earth has mass !! >>>>>>>> so light is curving next to earth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E photon =hf remember >>>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat is serving NASA >>>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth >>>>>>>> there is a need for a whole net of satiates >>>>>>>> to lead it around our globe >>>>>>>> to be used at any point on earth >>>>>>>> (look google >>>>>>>> ''the real single photon mass and energy >>>>>>>> by Y Porat >>>>>>>> I heared about it by a guy called Y porat .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> bottom line in short >>>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe >>>>>>>> not because of f en curved 'space >>>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics >>>>>>>> that NASA use >>>>>>>> for its interstellar project >>>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!! >>>>>>>> not because of f en curve space >>>>>>>> but because mass is attracting mass >>>>>>>> and if you don't mind >>>>>>>> mass is the creator of**all forces including gravity >>>>>>>> not curved space'' >>>>>>>> it will be in future in your books >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>> ============> > TIA >>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>> ==================> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>> ==================dear ingenious Bodkin anonymous !! >>>>>> >>>>>> I unlike you -- am not just a parrot as you >>>>>> I am a little more than a parrot as you >>>>>> with my own creative mind !! >>>>> >>>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity >>>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. >>>>> >>>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though >>>>> that is a virtue. >>>>> >>>>>> so !! >>>>>> if we think about the >>>>>> 'EDINGTON' effect ''/experiment >>>>>> in the 'Eddington effect' >>>>>> the light em beam >>>>>> is indeed curving NEXT TO earth >>>>>> but that curvature is not **sharp enough ** >>>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!! >>>>> >>>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== >>>> show those calculations >>>> and don't hand wave !! >>> >>> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The >>> radius of curvature and the relation between them? >>> >>> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has >>> rotted past pointlessness. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> need I have to go on with that explanation ?? >>>>>> may be one of our **thinking ** readers**can guess and go on and >>>>>> explain what is going on >>>>>> with that experiment and current use of it >>>>>> and why is it that we need >>>>>> many** transmission stations to redirect the em beam >>>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE ?? !! >>>>> >>>>> That’s not what’s going on. That’s not the reason there are so many >>>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something >>>>> up, with your “creative” mind. >>>> >>>> ==== >>>> I showed yo parrot that even theortically >>>> and experimentally >>>> the Edington em wavs were only partially curving >>>> around globe >>>> but di t go on curving the globe >>>> because >>> >>> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the >>> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves >>> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your >>> head! It’s flat wrong! >>> >>> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it. >> = >> =================== >> since you are such a great expert of curved space >> please tell us >> how that curved space will look like >> all around the masses involved in the >> Edington experiment ?? > > I showed you how to do the calculation at the surface of the earth. Follow > the same thing but use the mass and radius of the sun instead. Go ahead. > It’s not hard. Silence from Porat. Or rather, a quick change of subject. > >> >> TIA >> Y.Porat >> =========================== >>> >>> >>>> >>>> your f en curved space >>>> did not exist >>>> all aground our globe !! >>>> >>>> and that partial deviation >>>> we had >>>> was because ordinary local interaction >>>> between >>>> mass of earth and mass of PHOTON !!! >>>> and in that beeam going on >>>> it dint find your f en curved space >>>> >>>> AND THEREFORE >>>> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE !!!! >>>>> -- >>> >> > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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