Re: C Names and Scopes

From	BartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: C Names and Scopes
Date	2017-03-05 01:42 +0000
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On 05/03/2017 00:47, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 7:31:45 PM UTC-5, Bart wrote:
>> On 05/03/2017 00:15, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
> ...
>>> If you're using those concepts differently from the way the C standard
>>> specifies that they should be used, then expecting a C compiler to conform
>>> to your different usage does reflect some confusion. What you do in your
>>> own language is a different issue entirely, and not on-topic in this
>>> newsgroup, nor of interest to me.
>>
>> What happens in a different language /is/ relevant, because it is has
>> been suggested that handling struct-tag names the way C does /has/ to be
>> done that way. I'm saying it was a choice (and not as intuitive a one as
>> I've seen elsewhere).
>
> I made no such suggestion.

It was made by Keith:

 > Of course.  What other scope could it have?  There is no "struct
 > definition scope".  Not all sets of curly braces create new scopes,
 > only those that create compound statements.

> My message was entirely about your incorrect expectations about how some C code would work. I explicitly pointed out that C++ does work roughly as you expected, which should make it pretty clear that I thought it was feasible. Rebutting such a suggestion in a message where I did not make that suggestion is ... confusing.

I've haven't looked too closely at C++ (I don't want to). Actually I 
haven't looked at it at all, not for a while.

Since it also, apparently, has to compile C code and treat names and 
scopes the same as C compilers do, I can't see how it's going to be 
anything but confusing to use it for comparison.

The general concept is broader and much simpler; if you define anything 
within any nested lexical scope, such as might be denoted with braces, 
then the scope and visibility is restricted to that or inner spans.

(C of course has to break all such rules! However, one of my concerns 
had been that it would make it inefficient to compile, having to deal 
with a myriad special cases. But that has been unfounded so far.)

-- 
bartc

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C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 02:13 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 10:09 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 02:37 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 11:07 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:03 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 17:19 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:42 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 12:08 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes Moai <penultimategrill@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 19:16 -0500
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-09 01:32 +0100
      Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-09 08:18 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-09 12:06 -0500
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 10:51 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 03:11 -0800
    Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 11:39 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 12:06 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 13:31 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 13:40 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 16:39 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 17:51 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 20:56 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 22:08 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 23:27 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 13:41 +0100
      Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 14:32 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-08 07:28 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 20:12 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-08 12:38 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 21:54 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 22:40 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-09 18:48 +0000
    Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 19:53 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 12:25 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 21:27 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 13:57 -0800
            Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-13 10:54 +0100
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 00:26 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 00:42 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 01:03 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 01:49 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 12:31 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 16:06 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-10 16:22 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-12 09:17 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-15 16:26 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 17:56 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 07:42 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-10 08:44 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 09:25 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-10 16:43 -0500
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 14:04 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 22:52 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 15:10 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-15 16:31 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-09 23:09 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 23:36 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 00:19 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 00:38 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 01:23 +0000
    Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-03 18:23 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 14:42 +0100
        Re: C Names and Scopes "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-04 11:02 -0500
          Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 23:35 +0100
            Re: C Names and Scopes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-04 14:50 -0800
            Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-05 13:39 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 15:10 +0100
                Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-05 14:34 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-05 19:25 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-03-06 09:37 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-06 10:34 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-06 07:23 -0500
                Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 14:26 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-04 11:52 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 20:13 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 20:17 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-04 12:38 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 13:50 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 22:37 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 16:15 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-05 00:31 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 16:47 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-05 01:42 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 19:20 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-05 01:40 -0800

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