Re: C Names and Scopes

From	BartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: C Names and Scopes
Date	2017-02-08 22:08 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 08/02/2017 20:56, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

>> It may technically be possible because certain kinds of names belong
>> in particular contexts, but that doesn't make it any easier when
>> confronted with code that makes use of that and that can throw you,
>> because you weren't even aware that something was possible:
>>
>>   struct A A;
>
> How could that throw anyone (other than the silly names)?  If I see
>
>   struct node node;
>
> it is clear what's going on  (provided I have even the most basic
> understanding of C's struct syntax).  On the flip side, your way will
> surprise people who expect to be able to call their variable X even when
> X is used for some totally different kind of name.

I don't know what you mean by 'my way' unless it's not to allow 
overloading of any names in the same scope.

And do people really expect to use X for different things like that?

C already allows you to use letter-case to vary names so that:

   struct Node node;

is possible. Are C programmers so devoid of creativity that they have to 
reuse exactly the same names without even bothering to change case, or 
use an extra block scope?

There are 15 ways of writing 'node' and still have an identifier which 
is distinct from 'node'.

   Again: I am not
> saying that's good or bad -- it's different and neither seems
> particularly odd or counter-intuitive.
>
>> or:
>>
>>   Point p;
>>   struct Point q;
>
> How is that going to be clearer if the struct tag can't share a name
> with the type?  Using different names won't stop the code being odd, and
> it's obvious that something very odd is going on.  By being able to use
> the same name the strangeness is brought to the fore so I'd call that an
> advantage in this case.

This doesn't make sense. You're advocating justifying an odd feature 
because using it highlights the fact that it's odd and gets people to 
look twice? Having about not having it at all? Then there would be no need.

I can't imagine these different namespaces make C any easier to process, 
and using them would raise eyebrows, so I can't see any point to them at 
all.

-- 
Bartc

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C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 02:13 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 10:09 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 02:37 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 11:07 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:03 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 17:19 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:42 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 12:08 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes Moai <penultimategrill@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 19:16 -0500
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-09 01:32 +0100
      Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-09 08:18 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-09 12:06 -0500
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 10:51 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 03:11 -0800
    Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 11:39 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 12:06 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 13:31 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 13:40 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 16:39 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 17:51 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 20:56 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 22:08 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 23:27 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 13:41 +0100
      Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-08 14:32 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-08 07:28 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 20:12 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-08 12:38 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 21:54 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-08 22:40 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-09 18:48 +0000
    Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 19:53 +0000
      Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 12:25 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 21:27 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 13:57 -0800
            Re: C Names and Scopes David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-13 10:54 +0100
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 00:26 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 00:42 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 01:03 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 01:49 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 12:31 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 16:06 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-10 16:22 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-12 09:17 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-15 16:26 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-09 17:56 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 07:42 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-10 08:44 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 09:25 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-10 16:43 -0500
                Re: C Names and Scopes supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-10 14:04 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 22:52 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 15:10 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-15 16:31 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-09 23:09 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 23:36 +0000
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-10 00:19 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 00:38 +0000
  Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 01:23 +0000
    Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-03 18:23 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 14:42 +0100
        Re: C Names and Scopes "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-04 11:02 -0500
          Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 23:35 +0100
            Re: C Names and Scopes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-04 14:50 -0800
            Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-05 13:39 +0000
              Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 15:10 +0100
                Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-05 14:34 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-05 19:25 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-03-06 09:37 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-03-06 10:34 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-06 07:23 -0500
                Re: C Names and Scopes GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 14:26 +0100
    Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-04 11:52 -0800
      Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 20:13 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 20:17 +0000
        Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-04 12:38 -0800
        Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 13:50 -0800
          Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-04 22:37 +0000
            Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 16:15 -0800
              Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-05 00:31 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 16:47 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-05 01:42 +0000
                Re: C Names and Scopes jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-04 19:20 -0800
                Re: C Names and Scopes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-05 01:40 -0800

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