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Re: What I learned today

From Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: What I learned today
Date 2017-01-02 23:24 +0000
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Evertjan wrote:
> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> Evertjan wrote:
>>> Gene Wirchenko wrote:

>>>> I KFed him long ago.  From what I see in other comments, it was and
>>>> continues to be a good decision.
>>>
>>> Wow, so your argument just rests on authority,
>>> you are acting like a religious sectarian:
>>> "I don't want to know what he said,
>>> because it is not what we believe to be the true faith".
>> 
>>      How do you get things so wrong?
>> 
>>   1) I am not relying on anyone's authority.
> 
> You wrote: "From what I see in other comments, it was and continues to
> be a good decision."
> 
> Those other comments, are they not the "authority" on which you profess
> the quality of your decision?

Killfiling someone -- except in some extreme situations where you refuse 
to view any thread in which the subject has posted -- does not stop you 
from seeing someone's comments when they are quoted by another.  Thomas 
Lahn is quoted plenty often; it's easy enough to imagine that Gene 
Wirchenko has seen plenty of Mr. Lahn's posts, even though he has him 
KF'd.

There is no reason to expect that Mr. Wirchenko is relying on external 
authority for his decision.  Thomas Lahn's own words could easily 
reinforce his decision on their own.


>>   3) I would discard a bad textbook.
> 
> On what basis do you decide such "badness"?

Whether it's a moral judgment or a utilitarian decision about fitness for 
his task or some other choice, why would you question his decision in 
this matter?

>>  Similarly, I discard (ignore) other bad information sources.
> 
> Same objection. You can discard (ignore) because you are a free person,
> but you would have to be knowledgable or believing in authority to label
> someting as "bad".

He has to be knowledgeable only so far as making that call for his own 
purposes.  If Mr. Wirchenko decided that a good source is one that he 
could learn from without being subjected to too much snark, pedantry, or 
superciliousness, do you have any basis to object?

>> Mr. Lahn is a bad information source.
> 
> Ah, because you do not like his style?
> 
> Methinks that is bad judgement.

And on what do you base your idea here of "bad"?


>>> You are confusing dislike for someone with his arguments,
>>> which is the kind of ad hominem falacy one should distrust severely.
>> 
>>      No.  I do not like his arguments.  That he has continued on and
>> on with them has engendered some dislike.  The dislike of his
>> argumentative style came first.
> 
> So it is not the arguments but the style.

Why in the world cannot not be *both*?

> [ ... ]

>>      Since I can see comments of his in other posts, it is not as if I
>> never see anything of his.  I can see that his style does not seem to
>> have changed.
> 
> Indeed, you confuse style with the content of arguments.

To assume they are entirely independent is ridiculous.


>>      Quite a nonsensical post on your part.
> 
> Why "on your part"?
> Again you confuse arguments with who says it.

It's never clear when talking in English with one who is not a native 
speaker when some idiom is getting in the way.  That was just another way 
of saying, "Your post was quite nonsensical."  It doesn't refer to you 
except indirectly as the author of the post.

  
>> Sincerely,
> 
> Are you sure?

People who challenge others' sincerity seem the ones most likely to be 
posting insincere messages.  People who respond to social niceties with 
aggression are a big part of what's wrong with electronic communications.

  -- Scott

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Re: What I learned today Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-29 04:32 +0100
  Re: What I learned today Maik Koenig <usenetspam@maikkoenig.de> - 2016-12-29 21:20 +0100
    Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-12-29 21:45 +0100
      Re: What I learned today Maik Koenig <usenetspam@maikkoenig.de> - 2017-01-04 03:52 +0100
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:48 +0100
          Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:45 -0800
            Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 19:10 +0100
    Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 19:12 +1100
      Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-30 09:30 -0800
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-12-31 00:39 +0100
          Re: What I learned today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:35 -0800
          Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-02 09:34 -0800
            Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-02 23:41 +0100
              Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:58 +1100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-03 11:44 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-04 04:15 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:59 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 10:29 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-03 19:50 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-03 19:32 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-03 21:52 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-01-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-03 23:42 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-03 22:45 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 00:06 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 17:00 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:41 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:51 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 19:13 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-04 18:17 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 00:30 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 01:13 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:20 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 17:57 +0000
                Multi-line string literals (was: What I learned today) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-01-05 23:29 +0100
                Re: Multi-line string literals (was: What I learned today) Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 23:14 +0000
                Re: Multi-line string literals Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 12:01 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 15:22 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-05 09:06 -0800
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 18:10 +0000
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-05 20:38 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 22:37 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-05 23:21 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-06 00:29 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 11:59 +1100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-06 09:04 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-06 11:19 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-06 13:09 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-06 12:50 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-06 14:16 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-06 15:05 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2017-01-06 16:32 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-06 16:15 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 17:47 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-01-06 18:07 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:38 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-09 10:33 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-09 19:57 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 16:53 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:36 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:53 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 19:17 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-01-05 00:57 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 09:49 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-04 16:49 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 18:01 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-05 20:19 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 16:48 -0800
              Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: What I learned today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 00:17 -0800
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-03 10:33 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-04 04:34 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:15 +1100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 11:12 +0100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 11:07 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:58 -0800
      Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-01 10:53 +0000
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-01 12:36 +0100

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