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Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote on 02 Jan 2017 in
comp.lang.javascript: 

> On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 00:39:15 +0100, "Evertjan."
> <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> 
>>Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote on 30 Dec 2016 in 
>>comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>>>I have learnt much from Thomas and I'm thankful that he still 
>>>>contributes regularly here.
>>> 
>>>      I have not.  Unfortunately, his posts have curves in them. Often,
>>> it was to the point where I could not extract anything useful from
>>> them. 
>>
>>Well, couldn't that equally reflect to the possibillity that your 
>>understanding of the subject lacks substantially?
> 
>      No.
> 
>      It is a factor of why I read here: to learn.  One who is learning
> about a subject does have less understanding of a subject.  It does
> not make the person defective.

I never said or suggested you are or might be defective or that I would 
think so. But in general [and perhaps even more when learning] "your 
understanding of the subject might lack substantially" without that in any 
way reflect on any defectiveness on your part. 

I stipulate that your "no" professes your absolute felt certaincy that there 
is no "possibility that your understanding of the subject lacks 
substantially".

Well, that attitude would extremely prohibit any "factor of why I read here: 
to learn".

> Mr. Lahn's statements are often very difficult to follow 

That might be a reason why "your understanding of the subject might lack 
substantially".

> and have nasty curves in them. 

That should not alter the appreciation of any facts or ideas. 
If it did, that would only show your [perhaps understandable, but not 
realistic] lack of willingness to probe his statements. 

> I do not need to waste time on that. 

No, you do not "need" to do anything. But then you should say so, and not 
state that your undertanding of the subject is complete and does not need 
his arguments because your understanding does not lack.

> There are other sources of information.

So?

> 
>>> I KFed him long ago.  From what I see in other comments, it was
>>> and continues to be a good decision.
>>
>>Wow, so your argument just rests on authority,
>>you are acting like a religious sectarian:
>>"I don't want to know what he said, 
>>because it is not what we believe to be the true faith".
> 
>      How do you get things so wrong?
> 
>   1) I am not relying on anyone's authority.

You wrote: "From what I see in other comments, it was and continues to be a 
good decision."

Those other comments, are they not the "authority" on which you profess the 
quality of your decision?

>   2) I am here to learn.  It has little to do with what I believe.

Well, you seem to believe in authority.
 
>   3) I would discard a bad textbook.

On what basis do you decide such "badness"?

>  Similarly, I discard (ignore) other bad information sources. 

Same objection. You can discard (ignore) because you are a free person, 
but you would have to be knowledgable or believing in authority to label 
someting as "bad".

> Mr. Lahn is a bad information source.

Ah, because you do not like his style?

Methinks that is bad judgement.

>>You are confusing dislike for someone with his arguments,
>>which is the kind of ad hominem falacy one should distrust severely.
> 
>      No.  I do not like his arguments.  That he has continued on and
> on with them has engendered some dislike.  The dislike of his
> argumentative style came first.

So it is not the arguments but the style.

>      I think you are the one confusing the dislikes.
> 
>>Dat does not imply I distrust you,
>>it just means I distrust your argument.
>>
>>>      I think that Andrew's paragraph "Your knowledge ..." nails it.
>>
>>Wow, "nails it", you seem to be very certain about what you profess to
>>have gone to great length not to want to hear by plonking him "long
>>ago". 
> 
>      Since I can see comments of his in other posts, it is not as if I
> never see anything of his.  I can see that his style does not seem to
> have changed.

Indeed, you confuse style with the content of arguments.

>      Quite a nonsensical post on your part.

Why "on your part"? 
Again you confuse arguments with who says it.
 
> Sincerely,

Are you sure?


-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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  Re: What I learned today Maik Koenig <usenetspam@maikkoenig.de> - 2016-12-29 21:20 +0100
    Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-12-29 21:45 +0100
      Re: What I learned today Maik Koenig <usenetspam@maikkoenig.de> - 2017-01-04 03:52 +0100
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:48 +0100
          Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:45 -0800
            Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 19:10 +0100
    Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-30 19:12 +1100
      Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-30 09:30 -0800
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-12-31 00:39 +0100
          Re: What I learned today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:35 -0800
          Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-02 09:34 -0800
            Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-02 23:41 +0100
              Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:58 +1100
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                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-03 19:32 +0000
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                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 17:00 -0800
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                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 01:13 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:20 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 17:57 +0000
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                Re: Multi-line string literals Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 12:01 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 15:22 +1100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-05 09:06 -0800
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-05 18:10 +0000
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-05 20:38 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 22:37 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-05 23:21 +0000
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                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 11:59 +1100
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                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-06 11:19 +0000
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                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-06 12:50 +0000
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                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-06 15:05 +0000
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                Re: What I learned today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-01-06 16:15 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 17:47 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-01-06 18:07 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:38 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-09 10:33 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-09 19:57 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 16:53 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 10:36 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:53 -0800
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 19:17 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-01-05 00:57 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 09:49 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-04 16:49 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 18:01 +0100
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-05 20:19 +0000
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-03 16:48 -0800
              Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: What I learned today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 00:17 -0800
                Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-03 10:33 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2017-01-04 04:34 +0000
                Re: What I learned today Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-04 16:15 +1100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 11:12 +0100
                Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-04 11:07 +0100
                Re: What I learned today Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-04 09:58 -0800
      Re: What I learned today John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-01 10:53 +0000
        Re: What I learned today "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-01-01 12:36 +0100

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