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Re: Programming

From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.programming
Subject Re: Programming
Date 2016-07-18 05:36 +0100
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On 18/07/16 05:14, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>> turn that HTML into legal PHP is to rename the file. Next, you can start
>> playing with simple PHP constructs, and before you know it you're doing
>
>    Under an out-of-the-box windows, the file extension »html« will
>    be recognized, but I am afraid »php« won't.

That's true (and even under LAMP, you have to do a little fiddling to 
get it to work), but under an out-of-the-box Windows, you don't even get 
a C compiler, FCOL! (I don't think you even get a Web server, do you?)

>    In fact, the best language for learners with little time is VBA.

Despite being a long-time Microsoft-sceptic, I must confess to a soft 
spot for VB - and therefore for its children - as it was the product 
that made Windows programming possible for ordinary folk. So I'm not 
automatically going to push the anti-Windows button here. Nevertheless, 
VBA (if I am not mistaken) requires Microsoft Office, doesn't it? And 
that's a substantial investment for people who are just starting out. 
But there is a macro language in LibreOffice, too, and LibreOffice is 
free (and cross-platform).

>    . It has a GUI builder where one can easily draw a simple
>    calculator with two text boxes and one push button on the screen
>    (a "user form"), and then add /one/ small line of code to the button
>
> TextBox2 = 2 * TextBox1
>
>    to have programmed a full-blown calculator that will be able
>    to double many numbers at the push of a button.

That's fine if you know what to write. (It's easy for programmers to 
forget what it was like not knowing how to write programs.) But of 
course that's going to be true of any route into programming - at some 
point, the learner has to learn something, and learning can be hard work.

>    And one can combine this with all the power of applications such
>    as Microsoft® Word, Microsoft® Excel, or Microsoft® Access
>    to quickly solve many problems.

Or indeed /cause/ many problems. :-)

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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Programming HQM <harisqmega@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 07:07 -0700
  Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-16 16:40 +0100
    Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-17 09:16 -0700
      Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-17 17:53 +0100
        Re: Programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-07-17 20:31 +0100
          Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 00:57 +0100
            Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 05:36 +0100
              Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 08:13 -0700
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 16:33 +0100
                Re: Programming BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-18 16:44 +0100
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 17:01 +0100
                Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 09:16 -0700
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 17:23 +0100
                Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 09:28 -0700
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 18:00 +0100
                Re: Programming BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-18 18:28 +0100
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 18:54 +0100
                Re: Programming "Ant" <not@home.today> - 2016-07-18 21:12 +0100
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 21:24 +0100
                Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 14:49 -0700
                Re: Programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-07-18 20:03 +0100
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 20:24 +0100
                Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 16:17 -0700
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 19:30 -0400
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 19:22 -0400
              Re: Programming BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-18 16:25 +0100
              Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 21:18 -0400
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-19 03:35 +0100
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 19:37 -0400
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-20 00:50 +0100
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 19:41 -0400
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 03:31 -0400
                Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 21:01 -0400
            Re: Programming "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 05:02 -0400
              Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 10:35 +0100
            Re: Programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-07-18 10:02 +0100
            Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 07:52 -0700
              Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 16:25 +0100
                Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-18 08:32 -0700
                Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 16:36 +0100
    Re: Programming BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-18 13:02 +0100
      Re: Programming Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-18 13:38 +0100
  Re: Programming BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-16 22:38 +0100
  Re: Programming Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-07-17 09:20 -0700

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