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Re: Then you win.

From Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de>
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Subject Re: Then you win.
Date 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 10:55:48 +0100, Dr. Joachim Neudert wrote:

>Es könnte uns doch gar nichts Besseres passieren als die Einführung des
>österreichischen Systems. Pickerl für alle, die durchfahren, leicht zu
>kontrollieren, abkratzen können sie sie selber hinterher wieder. Keine
>Flächendeckenden Kontrollen sondern wie in Österreich nur Stichproben.
>Zusammen mit ordentlichen Strafen reicht das vollkommen aus.

Moment. Ich habe nicht vom österreichischen System geschrieben,
sondern vom deutschen High-Tech-System von einem österreichischen
Betreiber.

> Ernsthaft, das wäre die günstigste und effektivste und klarste Lösung.

Ja, das wäre mir zumindest deutlich lieber, als das geplante System.

Wobei ich grundsätzlich nichts von einer pauschalen Maut halte. Und
eine streckenbezogene Maut wegen Datenschutz und wegen Verdrängung auf
Landstraßen nicht mag.

> Und Österreich würde sich sehr schwertun, dagegen Klage zu erheben,
>glaube ich.

Soweit ich das sehe, ist Österreich (& Co.) das System selbst egal.
Die haben nur etwas gegen die 1:1-Erstattung für Inländer.

Auf Wiederlesen

Michael

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Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:14 +0000
  Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:22 +0000
  Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 21:43 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:48 +0000
      Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 22:03 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:08 +0000
          Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:14 +0000
            Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:27 +0000
              Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 23:16 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:55 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:09 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 13:53 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 06:00 -0700
                Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:41 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-04 09:01 +0000
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:08 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-04 09:15 +0000
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:46 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 02:51 -0700
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:54 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 03:08 -0700
                Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-07 09:31 +0000
                Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-09 21:02 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 10:38 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-05 09:57 +0000
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 11:10 +0100
                Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-05 12:23 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 18:00 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 10:18 -0700
                Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 20:23 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:33 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:08 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:27 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-11 12:28 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:19 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:31 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:22 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:26 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:29 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:17 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:28 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:57 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 18:04 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:06 +0100
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:34 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-06 00:17 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:09 -0800
                Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:32 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:21 +0100
                Re: Then you win. lol <lol@lol.example> - 2016-11-05 10:16 +0000
              Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:02 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:59 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:19 +0100
  Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 21:45 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:53 +0000
    Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:57 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:51 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-11-04 07:59 +0100
    Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 08:08 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:45 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 07:16 +0000
        Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:05 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:21 -0800
            Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:35 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:52 -0800
                Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 04:11 -0800
          Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:14 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 14:17 +0100
            Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:43 +0100
              Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:48 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 15:12 +0100
            Re: Then you win. g.kuehne <kuehne123@front.ru> - 2016-11-08 05:56 +0100
          Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:47 +0100
            Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-08 09:32 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:18 -0800
              Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:27 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 12:35 +0000
                Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 14:20 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 00:56 -0700
    Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 09:09 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 01:04 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:00 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:16 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:37 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-06 13:43 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-04 17:11 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 17:23 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 11:50 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 13:57 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 14:30 +0100
        Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-06 17:35 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 17:40 +0000
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:02 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:05 +0100
            Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:21 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 18:12 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Enzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2016-11-07 09:17 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-11-07 09:23 +0000
            Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 10:47 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 15:16 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:05 -0800
      Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:25 +0100
  Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-01 17:13 +0100
    Re: Then you win. "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2016-12-01 16:29 +0000
    Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 00:13 +0100
      Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 07:23 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
          Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 08:59 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 09:23 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:32 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:18 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 13:58 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Nathan Hale <nobody@remailer.org.uk> - 2016-12-05 11:28 +0000
                Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-05 13:02 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-12-05 15:06 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:50 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:34 -0800
              Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-03 12:37 +0000
                Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 17:19 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 09:00 -0800
                Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-04 11:33 +0000
            Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-16 06:12 +0000
          Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-12-05 09:31 +0000
        Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:30 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:36 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 16:39 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-03 22:47 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-03 23:26 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:46 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
        Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 09:05 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:32 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:39 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:04 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:24 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:31 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-04 15:07 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:53 +0100
              Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-04 10:07 +0000
                Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:39 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 15:46 +0100
            Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:38 +0100
              Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-04 10:55 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 11:56 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 12:09 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:28 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
                Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:30 +0100
      Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-12-03 10:06 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:33 +0100
    Re: Then you win. Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2016-12-03 13:43 +0000
      Re: Then you win. "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 14:42 +0000
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:52 +0100
          Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
        Re: Then you win. Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 15:50 +0100

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