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| From | "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Re: Then you win. |
| Date | 2016-12-05 09:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eakqf0FiiltU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <nvg5qr$d6f$1@news.albasani.net> <o1pi7a$9pp$1@solani.org> <eaedg3F3mjlU1@mid.individual.net> <o1todl$v74$1@news.albasani.net> <774203702.502443867.557663.meissing-gmx.de@news.solani.org> |
Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> wrote: >Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> wrote: >> Eigentlich nicht: Denn nun kommt das Geld hinzu, das Durchreisende >> bezahlen. So wie das in Österreich, der Schweiz, Italien seit >> Jahrzehnten bestens funktioniert und Einnahmen generiert. >Man geht davon aus (die Menge der Experten: also ohne Dobrindt), daß die >Einführung der Kurzzeitvignette die Einnahmen schmälern. >> >> Etwa 500 Millionen Überschuß, nach Abzug der Betreiberkosten, werden >> erwartet. >Die Kosten für die Kontrolle lässt Dobrindt auch seit dem ersten Tag seiner >"Überlegungen" unter den Tisch fallen.... So wie die Kosten des Eintreibens, wenn ein Ausländer ohne Plakette erwischt wird. Insgesamt ist das alles viel zu kompliziert. Ich hätte einfach für alle, egal ob In oder Ausländer einen moderaten Preis von z.B. 30 EUR/a veranschlagt, dies aber für alle Strassen. Daß darüberhinaus KFZ mit 2.8 bis 7.5 Mg mautfrei fahren können, wirft nochmal ein anderes Licht auf die "Überlegungen". -- Dipl.-Inform(FH) Peter Heitzer, peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de
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Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:14 +0000
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:22 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 21:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 22:03 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:08 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:14 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:27 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 23:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:55 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 13:53 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 06:00 -0700
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:41 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-04 09:01 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-04 09:15 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 02:51 -0700
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:54 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 03:08 -0700
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-07 09:31 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-09 21:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 10:38 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-05 09:57 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 11:10 +0100
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-05 12:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 18:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 10:18 -0700
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 20:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:27 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:31 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:22 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:26 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:29 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 18:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-06 00:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:09 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. lol <lol@lol.example> - 2016-11-05 10:16 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 21:45 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:51 +0100
Re: Then you win. Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-11-04 07:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 08:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:45 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 07:16 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:21 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:35 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:52 -0800
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 04:11 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:14 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 14:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:48 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 15:12 +0100
Re: Then you win. g.kuehne <kuehne123@front.ru> - 2016-11-08 05:56 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-08 09:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:18 -0800
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:27 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 12:35 +0000
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 14:20 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 00:56 -0700
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 09:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 01:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:37 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-06 13:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-04 17:11 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 17:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 11:50 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 13:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 14:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-06 17:35 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 17:40 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 18:12 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Enzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2016-11-07 09:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-11-07 09:23 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 10:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 15:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:05 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:25 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-01 17:13 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2016-12-01 16:29 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 00:13 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 07:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 08:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 09:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:18 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 13:58 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Nathan Hale <nobody@remailer.org.uk> - 2016-12-05 11:28 +0000
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-05 13:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-12-05 15:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:50 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:34 -0800
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-03 12:37 +0000
Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 17:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 09:00 -0800
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-04 11:33 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-16 06:12 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-12-05 09:31 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:36 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 16:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-03 22:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-03 23:26 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 09:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:24 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:31 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-04 15:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:53 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-04 10:07 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 15:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:38 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-04 10:55 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 11:56 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 12:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-12-03 10:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2016-12-03 13:43 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 14:42 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 15:50 +0100
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