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Re: H-1B Reform

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On 06/02/17 21:31, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-02-06 12:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 06/02/17 18:18, Joerg wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-06 10:05, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 06/02/17 17:24, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>> Den mandag den 6. februar 2017 kl. 18.10.51 UTC+1 skrev Tom Gardner:
>>>>>> On 05/02/17 15:23, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>> Raising and most of all enforcing the required wage is the perfect
>>>>>>> way to fix
>>>>>>> H1B and I've always said that. Finally we have an administration that
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> it. H1B is meant to haul in talent where we truly can't find an
>>>>>>> engineer for,
>>>>>>> not to obtain work results cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't disagree with that, but companies have lawyers
>>>>>> that are adept at obeying the letter of the law while
>>>>>> flouting the spirit of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And obvious technique would be to pay someone $150k
>>>>>> and then "suggest" they lived in luxurious accommodation
>>>>>> costing $100k. It would be shocking, /shocking/, if
>>>>>> that accommodation was also owned by an affiliate
>>>>>> company :(
>>>>>
>>>>> there has been several cases of something similar here, not
>>>>> with visas but with usually eastern European workers that on
>>>>> paper is being paid the union agreement rate but then charged
>>>>> an obscene rent for an apartment owned by the company
>>>>
>>>> Why am I not surprised!
>>>>
>>>> In the late 19th century the UK introduced laws
>>>> that prevented employers forcing employees to
>>>> purchase everything in their shops.
>>>
>>>
>>> Easily detected. The H1B visa holder must file a tax return in the
>>> country where
>>> he or she works. Now a $150k will trigger a very hefty tax which, with
>>> all the
>>> social securtity taxes, local taxes and whatnot reaches lofty heights.
>>> Assume
>>> the tax bill comes to $60k. How is that person going to pay the tax
>>> bill if only
>>> $50k is actually paid out?
>>
>> Oh, come on. I simply magicked figures out
>> of thin air with zero justification! Choose
>> any other figures if you wish; the principle
>> remains.
>>
>
> It is still detectable. If there is a will, and that was usually the problem.
>
>>
>>> Huge and unusual deductions or cooking an income tax statement is
>>> fraud which
>>> can be automatically fished out if the bureaucrats put their mind to it.
>>
>> What deductions are you referring to?
>> Or does the IRS actually determine that
>> you are paying too much /taxed/ income
>> for rent?
>>
>>
>>> Then there are spot checks and these can include what tax pros call a
>>> "root
>>> canal audit". This is where the tax inspectors look at actual bank
>>> statements
>>> and such. Afterwards some of the higher-ups in the company would
>>> probably be
>>> escorted out in handcuffs.
>>
>> I don't think it is beyond the wit of
>> accountants to figure that out. If the
>> taxman is getting the "right" amount of
>> tax, then do they /really/ care how
>> citizens spend the rest?
>>
>
> This is not the tax man, this is about visa abuse.

Indeed, but money was at the centre of the valid visa check.


> Therefore, it is up to the
> Department of Labor to engage the IRS in a field check. They will likely have to
> reimburse the IRS for that. However, I am sure that even the IRS agent would
> raise an eyebrow if the net amount reported on an H1B employee's formal income
> statement does not match what arrived in his bank account.

The same amount would arrive in their account.


> Same if that bank
> account is controlled by a 3rd party

It wouldn't need to be.


> or large amounts of money would vanish from
> it every pay cycle.

It wouldn't "vanish" per se; it would be paid out as
rent/whatever.

The ability to disguise the ultimate beneficiary
of payments is a very well developed art :(


> That is a hard red flag for fraud. It is usually a sign that
> the involved entities are also engaged in other "creative" methods.

Is it fraud if someone pays over the odds for something?

Fundamentally I seriously dislike the abuse of visa
systems to transfer jobs abroad. If anything can reduce
that, I'm in favour of it. But I don't believe a simple
"salary >$x" is a sufficient disincentive.

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                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 12:06 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 03:18 -0500
          Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-06 03:17 -0800
          Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 07:51 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-02-06 10:08 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:11 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 12:53 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:22 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:36 +0000
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              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-07 08:02 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-07 17:01 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:33 -0500
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                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 14:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:12 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-09 11:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 10:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 14:34 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:27 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 15:33 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:40 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 17:58 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 17:10 +0000
          Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:24 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 18:05 +0000
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:18 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:41 +0000
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 22:05 +0000
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