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Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators

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On 2/6/2017 2:29 PM, George Herold wrote:
>> (Which invites:  What *sort* of receiver?  What frequency band?  What power
>> level(s)? etc.  I tried to avoid those questions by suggesting a GDO
>> as representative of the class of devices that are of interest to me)
>
> Wow.. I'm sensing some hostility Don.

Sorry, George.  I'm tired of the "why do you need it" crowd.  Followed by
the "why is this such a long post/thread" comments.

I post in a fair number of online forums and USENET is the only place where
"Why" is the first word out of folks' mouths.  It makes me wonder if they're
all STARVED for intellectual stimulation -- or, simply unable to imagine
problems that don't lie in their immediate areas of expertise.

> Is it a one of or something for all GDO's?

I'm looking for a *technique*.  I can replace GDO with any number of other
wireless devices and present a similar question.  GDO's are just easy examples
to reference with which folks will *probably* have some experience.

Would you prefer I discuss a wirelessly-controller manipulator used in the
manufacture of explosive pellets?  Would you NEED to know the use for those
pellets before answering?

> What's wrong with telling the application?

Because then someone will want to know why I didn't consider THIS
solution or THAT solution.  And, I really don't feel the need
to HAVE TO explain my design choices to someone who is just playing
Monday morning quarterback.

> I've got a colleague, who will come and ask me some very specific question.
> Often when we back out the problem, we'll find a solution that has nothing to
> do with the original question.

 From *my* personal experience, here, I end up being coerced into justifying
every possible decision that I ruled out, then chided for being too "picky".

By folks who weren't able to contribute anything to the solution!

Do you grill your marketing people as to the actual sales projections that
they used to justify a particular feature's inclusion in a new product design?
How happy would you be if THEY came over and grilled you about why you
mounted a particular component in a particular portion of the PCB?  Or,
if your purchasing guy required justification (to satisfy his own personal
curiosity -- perhaps under the guise of "I might be able to find an
alternate/cheaper source") for your selection of a particular component
or vendor?

C'mon, it's a simple question.  I can rewrite it to apply to any number of
wireless products/applications.  And, it doesn't change the nature of the
problem posed!  Or, encumber the presentation in ways that effectively
LIMIT the solution to exactly the area that I've presented.  Would you
then want to examine why each of these constraints were placed on the
problem?  All that just to avoid answering the question asked?

"Mary has 6 apples.  She gives 2 to Dave.  How many apples does Mary have?"

"Why apples?  Why not oranges?  And, what about Bob?  Does Mary hold a grudge 
against Bob?  Why?  Or, is Mary having a fling with Dave?  And, does *Sue*
know???"

Answer:  4.

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Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 00:40 -0700
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 00:56 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 02:19 -0700
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    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0600
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 06:52 -0700
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 07:55 -0700
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:38 -0700
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            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:39 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-02-06 17:10 -0600
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:06 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:12 +0000
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:05 +0000
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 14:56 -0700
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:18 -0700
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:41 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:32 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:39 -0800
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 08:28 -0800
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 09:23 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:30 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 11:52 -0700
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 11:31 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:49 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-02-06 14:07 -0600
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 12:09 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:37 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:35 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 17:56 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 12:03 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 13:29 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 13:32 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:01 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:07 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:13 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 14:28 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:31 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:08 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 16:36 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-07 10:26 +1100
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:05 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:22 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-02-06 13:39 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:12 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:43 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:29 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:19 +0000

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