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Re: H-1B Reform

From	Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: H-1B Reform
Date	2017-02-08 08:08 -0800
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On 2017-02-07 17:21, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:02:30 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-02-07 09:18, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 07:49:06 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-02-06 17:26, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 07:27:48 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-02-05 15:02, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>>>>>>                     ...  It really is impossible to find hundreds of
>>>>>>> contractors, quickly, in the US.  H1B contractors fill the crests in
>>>>>>> workload so the employee base is more stable (we have a number of
>>>>>>> contract EEs, too, but they're not H1Bs).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's perfectly ok to use H1B contractors. However, they need to be paid
>>>>>> prevailing wage or higher and that must be _verified_ which is super
>>>>>> easy to do. I have suggested that all the time but it wasn't done. Now
>>>>>> it will be because the new administration seems to understand some stuff
>>>>>> that previous ones didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> The H1Bs at my CPoE aren't paid the same as employees, sure, but they
>>>>> don't have the same responsibilities, either.  They're basically code
>>>>> jockeys.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once they have to start paying them $130k/year each they will probably
>>>> find Americans for that job, and fast. There are plenty of un- or
>>>> under-employed coders around.
>>>
>>> No, they'd just move *all* jobs overseas.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, that can happen. Then we need to find out why we cannot perform
>> these design tasks here and do something about it.
>
> We can (do), if the government would let it alone.  My job has been
> "off-shored" from somewhere else.  Do you want to stop that, too?


Of course not. Moving design tasks to where the talent is has always 
been a smart idea. Same if you can obtain sufficiently good results at a 
lower cost. In a world economy every region has to compete against 
another. Competiton is a good thing. What each region should, therefore, 
do is level the playing field.


> Getting rid of H1Bs is a good way to do it.
>

They would still use your design team if they can't get the results locally.


>>>> H1B was meant to obtain special talent that could not be found in the US
>>>> or where we simply don't have enough engineers, not for hiring scores of
>>>> cheap programmers. Now it will (hopefully) revert to that original intent.
>>>
>>> "Special" has lots of meanings.  The restriction is that the job is
>>> unfillable with resident labor.
>>>
>>
>> Why are they unfillable?
>
> Because not enough people want a three or six month programming job
> with no chance of direct hire.


I have met lots of people who do. Also, that still beats being unable to 
make a good living or being stuck in some cheap apartment.

For me, having shorter term stints (until a project is complete) is fun. 
It provides a smorgasbord of tasks for me which are all different. Just 
as I want it. There are not many hardware engineers who feel that way 
but many programmers do.

>>
>> For certain high-skill or niche jobs it is certainly true. WRT
>> programmers what I hear is more like the first part of this article,
>> they are heaving trouble finding enough gigs or employment:
>
> But they don't want to move for short term employment, either.

There are more people than you think who abhor office politics and 
prefer freelancing just because of that.

>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/the-myth-of-americas-tech-talent-shortage/275319/


-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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  Re: H-1B Reform George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-01-31 09:15 -0800
  Re: H-1B Reform Martin Riddle <martin_rid@verizon.net> - 2017-01-31 20:11 -0500
    Re: H-1B Reform Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-01-31 22:49 -0500
    Re: H-1B Reform dakupoto@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 22:52 -0800
      Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-05 07:23 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 18:02 -0500
          Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 07:27 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-06 20:26 -0500
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-07 07:49 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-07 12:18 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-07 10:02 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-07 20:21 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 08:08 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 12:28 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 10:05 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 13:13 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 12:16 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 20:13 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 07:19 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 13:42 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 12:06 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 03:18 -0500
          Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-06 03:17 -0800
          Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 07:51 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-02-06 10:08 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:11 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 12:53 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:22 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:36 +0000
              Re: H-1B Reform Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-08 17:20 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 20:14 -0500
            Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:36 -0500
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-07 08:02 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-07 17:01 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:33 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 08:18 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 14:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:12 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-09 11:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 10:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 14:34 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:27 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 15:33 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:40 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 17:58 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 17:10 +0000
          Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:24 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 18:05 +0000
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:18 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:41 +0000
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 22:05 +0000
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 14:56 -0800
      Re: H-1B Reform mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2017-02-05 10:32 -0500
        Re: H-1B Reform Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-02-05 19:15 +0100
          Re: H-1B Reform mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2017-02-05 23:06 -0500
            Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-06 03:24 -0800

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