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Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015.

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015.
Date 2015-11-17 21:09 -0700
Message-ID <D27147F7.6479F%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (9 earlier) <fheua03.apfa@rooftop.invalid> <D27137B6.64782%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fheauf0.pa3@rooftop.invalid> <D2714025.64796%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <fhe00a.3rf@rooftop.invalid>

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On 11/17/15, 8:52 PM, in article fhe00a.3rf@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 11/17/15, 8:27 PM, in article fheauf0.pa3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Does it also amaze you that your home directory could be /home/snit,
>>>>>>>>> yet you could still have a file "home/snit" somewhere else on your
>>>>>>>>> system?  Does it amaze you that "." or ".." can be part of a file
>>>>>>>>> or directory name?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Er? I think you misread something. The question is simple:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive
>>>>>>>>     only"?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I could have just said "no" but I gave a more complete answer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why the exclamation here?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "hint, the user's home folder... though you can also have it
>>>>>>> as a part of file or folder name if you want!"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am excited to give the morons of CSMA a hint... and still see them
>>>>>> fail.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey, why don't you try to answer:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>      Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive
>>>>>>      only"? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, no tricks here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It means exactly what the shell's manpage says it means.
>>>>> 
>>>> But you have no answer for it if means the hard drive only or something
>>>> else? 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's wherever you set it to be, which might be on a ramdisk.
>> 
>> Seems you would agree it does not mean the hard drive only, nor is that even
>> the default... and anyone saying so would be showing they are technically
>> lost. 
>> 
> 
> My shell is bash.  Below is what the manpage has to say.  It does not
> address mount points, and I don't see why they would be relevant.
> 
> <quote> 
>    Tilde Expansion
>        If a word begins with an unquoted tilde character  (`~'),  all  of  the
>        characters  preceding  the  first unquoted slash (or all characters, if
>        there is no unquoted slash) are considered a tilde-prefix.  If none  of
>        the  characters  in  the tilde-prefix are quoted, the characters in the
>        tilde-prefix following the tilde are treated as a possible login  name.
>        If  this  login name is the null string, the tilde is replaced with the
>        value of the shell parameter HOME.  If HOME is unset, the  home
> direc???
>        tory  of  the  user executing the shell is substituted instead.
> Other???
>        wise, the tilde-prefix is replaced with the home  directory  associated
>        with the specified login name.
> 
>        If  the  tilde-prefix  is  a  `~+', the value of the shell variable PWD
>        replaces the tilde-prefix.  If the tilde-prefix is a `~-', the value of
>        the  shell variable OLDPWD, if it is set, is substituted.  If the
> char???
>        acters following the tilde in the tilde-prefix consist of a  number  N,
>        optionally  prefixed  by  a  `+' or a `-', the tilde-prefix is replaced
>        with the corresponding element from the directory stack, as it would be
>        displayed by the dirs builtin invoked with the tilde-prefix as an
> argu???
>        ment.  If the characters following the tilde in the  tilde-prefix
> con???
>        sist of a number without a leading `+' or `-', `+' is assumed.
> 
>        If the login name is invalid, or the tilde expansion fails, the word is
>        unchanged.
> 
>        Each variable assignment is checked for unquoted tilde-prefixes
> immedi???
>        ately following a : or the first =.  In these cases, tilde expansion is
>        also performed.  Consequently, one may use  filenames  with  tildes  in
>        assignments  to  PATH,  MAILPATH, and CDPATH, and the shell assigns the
>        expanded value.
> </quote> 
> 
I can read the quote. The question is what is YOUR view? Seems you disagree
that the tilde means "the hard drive only", not only as an absolute but as
any form of meaningful generalization, statement of a common default, or
anything else that would make sense for systems in general (and if so I
agree with you!)


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