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Re: [OT] Work

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: [OT] Work
Date 2018-12-09 18:58 +0100
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
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Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 08.12.2018 um 21:53 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Distance is not about me or you. 'Distance' has a certain meaning
>>
>> It has several:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance>
> 
> Quote:
> 
> "Both distance and displacement measure the movement of an object. 
> Distance cannot be negative, and never decreases. Distance is a scalar 
> quantity, or a magnitude. "

Once again you have not been reading comprehensively, in context.
The text that you are quoting refers to *Euclidean* space.

> So, essentially Wikipedia says the same as I said.

No, it does not.  You have to read in context.

To give you pause: The distance between two events in MINKOWSKI SPACE(TIME)
– which you claim to know and repeatedly stated to be the truth (over
special relativity, because you do not understand the connection between
them) –, which is given by

  ∆s² = c²∆t² − ∆x² − ∆y² − ∆z²,

can actually be negative.  We then call the events that are separated in
this way “spacelike-separated”, and the interval between them “spacelike”.

For example, in units where c = 1, the events

  e₁ = (0, 1, 2, 3)

and

  e₂ = (0, 2, 3, 4)

are spacelike-separated because

  ∆s² = ∆t² − ∆x² − ∆y² − ∆z²
      = (0 − 0)² − (2 − 1)² − (3 − 2)² − (4 − 3)²
      = 0 − 1 − 1 − 1
      = −3 < 0.

    [One can see this by calculating the spatial distance between them.
     It is

     √(∆x² + ∆y² + ∆z²) = √((2 − 1)² + (3 − 2)² + (4 − 3)²) = √3 ≈ 1.73

     But t(e₁) = t(e₂) here, so one would have to get instantaneously from
     one place to another, which means by infinite speed, which is certainly
     larger than the speed of light, c.]

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space>

The Minkowski metric is indefinite.  In general, distances can be negative
with any metric that is not positive-definite.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definite_quadratic_form>

> [misconceptions]

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