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Re: [OT] Gas inspections

From Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: [OT] Gas inspections
Date 2026-10-28 06:32 -0700
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On 10/27/2026 07:11, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/27/26 09:19, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 10/26/2026 06:05, c186282 wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>    UK ... the power grid wasn't built to supply
>>>    all energy needs. Somebody actually worked the
>>>    numbers just before the big plan to force all
>>>    onto electric - program DROPPED suddenly. It'd
>>>    take more money than the UK has to upgrade the
>>>    power grid now. USA, everything built for 200
>>>    amp service since WW2.
>>
>> Fact check: My house was built in 1951 and has only 100 amp service.
> 
> 
>    You got cheated ! Built by some cheap-ass !

Oh, it was deliberately designed cheap. The target customer group was 
WWII veterans. Sold at $20K, mortgage payment was $200/month.
>> I have considered upgrading to 200 amp, but I decided against ripping 
>> out and replacing the breaker box. Too much structural rework in an 
>> area that is hard to access. Would have to remove the A/C compressor 
>> to get to it.
> 
>    It is a problem ... and a huge amount of expensive
>    work. All the little tubes, sometimes the wires
>    inside them. A new main panel is a nightmare.

At this year's mold remediation rebuild, we replaced all the in-wall 
wiring. It was all knob and tube. Had to, because we were blowing 
insulation into the exterior walls, which had had none up to that point.

That also allowed for some more logical restructuring of breaker groups.
>    Hmm ... TWO 100 amp panels ???
> 
>>>    Have a butane mini-cooker though, runs on
>>>    cans, so I can still cook some things in
>>>    case of a long outage. More and more people
>>>    buy large automatic generator sets now, for
>>>    big-$$$, but forget that in case of a big
>>>    storm nobody can get there to fill the tank.
>>
>> Those "Generac" sets work pretty well. I have a 14kW one;
>> mine runs on the piped-in "natural" (methane) gas, so a major 
>> earthquake would take it down. My brother-in-law in Ohio has one that 
>> runs off a huge propane tank, but in my dense neighborhood there's no 
>> legal space for an outdoor propane container that has to be 5 feet 
>> from any building and 6 feet from any lot line and 20 feet from the 
>> street, except in the middle of the open space in the back yard.
> 
>    Generac seems the most popular and they seem to
>    hold up well. 14kw sounds a bit light, but that
>    depends on the vital services you need. If you
>    want to start a 4-ton AC unit 14kw isn't gonna
>    cut it. However if you manage uses - run a water
>    heater for a bit, turn that off, then use a
>    microwave or toaster oven, a few lights, then you
>    can get by with even 6-8kw.

The 14kW is a pretty good match for the 100A utility service.
Our cookstove and heating system are gas. So 14kW allows the A/C to run 
without having to schedule any limited concurrency.
>    Not as much piped-in gas anywhere near me. Most
>    people have them bury a propane tank somewhere
>    near the generator. Diesel generators are reliable
>    BUT diesel goes bad eventually so you'd have to
>    arrange to have the tank pumped every year or so.
> 
> 
>>>    Oh well, no panaceas ... just 'best compromise'.
>>>    Guess I could move next door to a nuke plant,
>>>    but then GUESS what'd happen :-)
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:11 -0400
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