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NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 00:37 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 07:19 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 15:46 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 09:53 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 17:33 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 12:01 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 22:38 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 17:12 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 22:08 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:28 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 07:30 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:43 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:07 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 18:09 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 18:45 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 02:59 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Rick Jones <RJones1993@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:17 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 08:00 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "I. Seymour Butts" <invalid@example.com> - 2018-11-03 13:26 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 23:56 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 16:50 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 03:44 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 21:12 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:53 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 07:56 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 08:34 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 10:00 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 11:52 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 20:04 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 16:41 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 01:07 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 22:27 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 22:37 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 01:16 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 06:45 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 08:58 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 23:19 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 19:19 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 22:33 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-04 08:42 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-05 14:13 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 16:39 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 14:56 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 23:40 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:49 -0700
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 17:36 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-06 02:57 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 17:56 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:32 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:37 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:43 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 04:57 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 10:21 -0800
Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 11:28 -0800
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psa4nl$1lhi$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712385 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>> for me >>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>> >>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>> FOR >>>>>> his >>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>> >>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>> and >>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>> ====== >>>>>> now >>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>> other real >>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>> >>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>> >>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>> except >>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>> now >>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>> 2 >>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>> that >>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>> >>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>> >>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>> Eng >>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>> >>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>> by saying that: >>>>> >>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>> >>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> Y.Porat >>>>> >>>>> ===================> > >>>> >>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>> you a little? >>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>> the net >>> now >>> please note >>> >>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>> >>> if space is curved >>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >> >> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >> >>> >>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >> >> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >> >> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >> doesnt mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >> curved spacetime. THATS NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >> >>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>> probably >>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >> >> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >> with the curvature of spacetime at the earths surface. The radius of >> curvature of spacetime near the earths surface is 31 million billion feet. >> The radius of curvature of the earths surface is 21 million feet. Do those >> look like the same numbers to you!?! >> >>> >>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>> they move in straight lines >>> and therefore there is the need of >>> an >>> eye to eye system !! >>> not because curved space !! >>> but curved globe >>> 2 >>> I indicated that >>> even according to my understanding >>> SR is right !!! >>> >>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>> and i understand it >>> but not >>> Gr calculations >>> we have to find out >>> if they use >>> GR calculations >>> or may be >>> just SR calculations >>> and it is their mistake to mix >>> Sr >>> with GR ?? >>> we have to ask >>> the real people >>> who did it >>> 'with their hands'' >>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>> Sr with GR!?? >>> =================TIA >>> Y.P >>> ============== > > I told you parrot > you and Einstein can plat with your > curves space lines as much as you like and all night > but > the fact is that prcticslly > GPs is using a thick net of > > eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > AMD WHY SO?? > BECUSE IN THAT CASE > A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? It’s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of spacetime for several reasons. 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. 2. The line of sight that is relevant between ground and satellite is mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is negligible. 3. The bend is so small that it doesn’t matter. Remember the radius of curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million billion feet. That is a very large radius, which means the curvature is very very slight. > > NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > TIA > Y.P > ============================= > > > > > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 16:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <99a2dac5-832e-42b8-a62a-527136778e3b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712457 |
On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>> for me > >>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>> FOR > >>>>>> his > >>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>> ====== > >>>>>> now > >>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>> other real > >>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>> > >>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>> except > >>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>> now > >>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>> 2 > >>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>> Eng > >>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>> > >>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>> by saying that: > >>>>> > >>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>> > >>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>> > >>>>> TIA > >>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>> > >>>>> ===================> > > >>>> > >>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>> you a little? > >>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> > >>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>> the net > >>> now > >>> please note > >>> > >>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>> > >>> if space is curved > >>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >> > >> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >> > >>> > >>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >> > >> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >> > >> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >> > >>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>> probably > >>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >> > >> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >> > >>> > >>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>> they move in straight lines > >>> and therefore there is the need of > >>> an > >>> eye to eye system !! > >>> not because curved space !! > >>> but curved globe > >>> 2 > >>> I indicated that > >>> even according to my understanding > >>> SR is right !!! > >>> > >>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>> and i understand it > >>> but not > >>> Gr calculations > >>> we have to find out > >>> if they use > >>> GR calculations > >>> or may be > >>> just SR calculations > >>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>> Sr > >>> with GR ?? > >>> we have to ask > >>> the real people > >>> who did it > >>> 'with their hands'' > >>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>> Sr with GR!?? > >>> =================TIA > >>> Y.P > >>> ============== > > > > I told you parrot > > you and Einstein can plat with your > > curves space lines as much as you like and all night > > but > > the fact is that prcticslly > > GPs is using a thick net of > > > > eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > > > > AMD WHY SO?? > > BECUSE IN THAT CASE > > A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > > GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > > THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > > It’s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > spacetime for several reasons. > 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. ================================ who on earth - tells you that curvature of space got to do anything with curved space OR CUVED SPACE EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! ==== > 2. The line of sight --- I said 'line of site' only to indicate that that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed to keep contact !!! and as anyone know em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION (if IS ) LISTEN CAREFLLY EM VAVES HAVE MASS indeed a very small tiny mass AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW HAS A BIG MASS SO] IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! indeed a very small interaction not because of f en curved space !! as well as Edington at his time could not know that EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! not relativistic mass and not schmelativistic mass !!! -------------------------------------- is relevant between ground and satellite is > mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > negligible. =================== negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! ============== > 3. The bend is so small that it doesn’t matter. Remember the radius of > curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > billion feet. ================= you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space as much as you like (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion any figure you will say playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs == GPS -does not use f en curved space NASSA as well does not use it no one will ever use it only idiots use it in their imagination -- but the bad point of it preventing real advance !!!! and wasting precious human resources !!! =============== > > NOT nice dream at might !!!! > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ----------------- indeed the only right thing about yourself not your fault you was born --A PARROT ================== the real nice at night dream is you and your damaging incurable clan of f en curved space that BTW has the dimension of **length** only ……!!! ================== TIA Y.P ==============
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 03:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psasvb$pde$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712490 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>> you a little? >>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>> the net >>>>> now >>>>> please note >>>>> >>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>> >>>>> if space is curved >>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>> >>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>> >>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>> >>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>> >>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>> probably >>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>> >>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>> an >>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>> but curved globe >>>>> 2 >>>>> I indicated that >>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>> >>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>> and i understand it >>>>> but not >>>>> Gr calculations >>>>> we have to find out >>>>> if they use >>>>> GR calculations >>>>> or may be >>>>> just SR calculations >>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>> Sr >>>>> with GR ?? >>>>> we have to ask >>>>> the real people >>>>> who did it >>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>> =================TIA >>>>> Y.P >>>>> ============== >>> >>> I told you parrot >>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>> but >>> the fact is that prcticslly >>> GPs is using a thick net of >>> >>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >> >>> >>> AMD WHY SO?? >>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >> >> Its factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >> spacetime for several reasons. >> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > space got to do anything with > curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! Again, practicality and “good enough” have nothing to do with validity of science. > > === > >> 2. The line of sight > --- > I said 'line of site' > > only to indicate that > that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > to keep contact !!! > and as anyone know > em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! But they DONT. That’s the point. > THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > (if IS ) > LISTEN CAREFLLY > > EM VAVES HAVE MASS > indeed a very small tiny mass > > AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > HAS A BIG MASS > SO] > IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > indeed a very small interaction > > not because of f en curved space !! > as well as > Edington at his time > could not know that > EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > not relativistic mass > and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > -------------------------------------- > > is relevant between ground and satellite is >> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >> negligible. > ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > ============== > > >> 3. The bend is so small that it doesnt matter. Remember the radius of >> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >> billion feet. > ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > as much as you like > > (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > any figure you will say Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > =GPS > -does not use f en curved space Yes it does. It’s in the documented design. > NASSA as well does not use it > no one will ever use it > > only idiots use it > in their imagination > -- > but the bad point of it > preventing > real advance !!!! > and wasting > precious human resources !!! > > ============== >>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > ----------------- > indeed the only right thing about yourself > not your fault > you was born --A PARROT > =================the real nice at night dream > is you and your damaging incurable clan > of f en curved space > that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > =================TIA > Y.P > ============= -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 21:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <637c0abd-c15b-4753-ac4b-002464e1a1d1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712503 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>>>> for me > >>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>>>> FOR > >>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>>>> other real > >>>>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>>>> except > >>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>>>> Eng > >>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>>>> by saying that: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ===================> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>>>> you a little? > >>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>> > >>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>>>> the net > >>>>> now > >>>>> please note > >>>>> > >>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>>>> > >>>>> if space is curved > >>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >>>> > >>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >>>> > >>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >>>> > >>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >>>> > >>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>>>> probably > >>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >>>> > >>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>>>> they move in straight lines > >>>>> and therefore there is the need of > >>>>> an > >>>>> eye to eye system !! > >>>>> not because curved space !! > >>>>> but curved globe > >>>>> 2 > >>>>> I indicated that > >>>>> even according to my understanding > >>>>> SR is right !!! > >>>>> > >>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>>>> and i understand it > >>>>> but not > >>>>> Gr calculations > >>>>> we have to find out > >>>>> if they use > >>>>> GR calculations > >>>>> or may be > >>>>> just SR calculations > >>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>>>> Sr > >>>>> with GR ?? > >>>>> we have to ask > >>>>> the real people > >>>>> who did it > >>>>> 'with their hands'' > >>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>>>> Sr with GR!?? > >>>>> =================TIA > >>>>> Y.P > >>>>> ============== > >>> > >>> I told you parrot > >>> you and Einstein can plat with your > >>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > >>> but > >>> the fact is that prcticslly > >>> GPs is using a thick net of > >>> > >>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > >> > >>> > >>> AMD WHY SO?? > >>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > >>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > >>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > >>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > >> > >> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > >> spacetime for several reasons. > >> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > > > ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > > space got to do anything with > > curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > > > EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! > > Again, practicality and “good enough” have nothing to do with validity of > science. > > > > > === > > > >> 2. The line of sight > > --- > > I said 'line of site' > > > > only to indicate that > > that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > > to keep contact !!! > > and as anyone know > > em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > > But they DONT. That’s the point. > > > THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > > AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > > (if IS ) > > LISTEN CAREFLLY > > > > EM VAVES HAVE MASS > > indeed a very small tiny mass > > > > AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > > HAS A BIG MASS > > SO] > > IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > > MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > > indeed a very small interaction > > > > not because of f en curved space !! > > as well as > > Edington at his time > > could not know that > > EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > > not relativistic mass > > and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > is relevant between ground and satellite is > >> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > >> negligible. > > ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > > NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > > ============== > > > > > >> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > >> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > >> billion feet. > > ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > > as much as you like > > > > (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > > any figure you will say > > Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > > > playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > > > =GPS > > -does not use f en curved space > > Yes it does. It’s in the documented design. > > > NASSA as well does not use it > > no one will ever use it > > > > only idiots use it > > in their imagination > > -- > > but the bad point of it > > preventing > > real advance !!!! > > and wasting > > precious human resources !!! > > > > ============== > >>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > > > > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > ----------------- > > indeed the only right thing about yourself > > not your fault > > you was born --A PARROT > > =================the real nice at night dream > > is you and your damaging incurable clan > > of f en curved space > > that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > > =================TIA > > Y.P > > ============= > ============================= DEAR Boddy please tell us about a physical entity THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )……..!! ============== TIA Y.P ====================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 12:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psbt3b$ga6$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712510 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>> the net >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> please note >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>> >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>> >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>> but not >>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>> ============== >>>>> >>>>> I told you parrot >>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>> but >>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>> >>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>> >>>>> >>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>> >>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>> >>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>> space got to do anything with >>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>> >>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! >> >> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >> science. >> >>> >>> ==> > >>>> 2. The line of sight >>> --- >>> I said 'line of site' >>> >>> only to indicate that >>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>> to keep contact !!! >>> and as anyone know >>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >> >> But they DONT. Thats the point. >> >>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>> (if IS ) >>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>> >>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>> >>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>> HAS A BIG MASS >>> SO] >>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>> indeed a very small interaction >>> >>> not because of f en curved space !! >>> as well as >>> Edington at his time >>> could not know that >>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>> not relativistic mass >>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> >>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>> negligible. >>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>> ============== >>> >>> >>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>> billion feet. >>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>> as much as you like >>> >>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>> any figure you will say >> >> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >> >>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>> >>> =GPS >>> -does not use f en curved space >> >> Yes it does. Its in the documented design. >> >>> NASSA as well does not use it >>> no one will ever use it >>> >>> only idiots use it >>> in their imagination >>> -- >>> but the bad point of it >>> preventing >>> real advance !!!! >>> and wasting >>> precious human resources !!! >>> >>> ============== >>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> ----------------- >>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>> not your fault >>> you was born --A PARROT >>> =================the real nice at night dream >>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>> of f en curved space >>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>> =================TIA >>> Y.P >>> ============> > ============================DEAR Boddy > please tell us about a physical entity > > THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > =============TIA > Y.P > =================== > > > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 07:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ec882fd9-7a46-493a-ba66-40918b16bbc6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712526 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>>>>>> for me > >>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>>>>>> FOR > >>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>>>>>> other real > >>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>>>>>> except > >>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>>>>>> Eng > >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>>>>>> by saying that: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ===================> > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>>>>>> you a little? > >>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>>>>>> the net > >>>>>>> now > >>>>>>> please note > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> if space is curved > >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>>>>>> they move in straight lines > >>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > >>>>>>> not because curved space !! > >>>>>>> but curved globe > >>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>> I indicated that > >>>>>>> even according to my understanding > >>>>>>> SR is right !!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>>>>>> and i understand it > >>>>>>> but not > >>>>>>> Gr calculations > >>>>>>> we have to find out > >>>>>>> if they use > >>>>>>> GR calculations > >>>>>>> or may be > >>>>>>> just SR calculations > >>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>>>>>> Sr > >>>>>>> with GR ?? > >>>>>>> we have to ask > >>>>>>> the real people > >>>>>>> who did it > >>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > >>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > >>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>> ============== > >>>>> > >>>>> I told you parrot > >>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > >>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > >>>>> but > >>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > >>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > >>>>> > >>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > >>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > >>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > >>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > >>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > >>>> > >>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > >>>> spacetime for several reasons. > >>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > >>> > >>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > >>> space got to do anything with > >>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > >>> > >>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! > >> > >> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > >> science. > >> > >>> > >>> ==> > > >>>> 2. The line of sight > >>> --- > >>> I said 'line of site' > >>> > >>> only to indicate that > >>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > >>> to keep contact !!! > >>> and as anyone know > >>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > >> > >> But they DONT. That s the point. > >> > >>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > >>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > >>> (if IS ) > >>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > >>> > >>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > >>> indeed a very small tiny mass > >>> > >>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > >>> HAS A BIG MASS > >>> SO] > >>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > >>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > >>> indeed a very small interaction > >>> > >>> not because of f en curved space !! > >>> as well as > >>> Edington at his time > >>> could not know that > >>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > >>> not relativistic mass > >>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > >>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > >>>> negligible. > >>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > >>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > >>> ============== > >>> > >>> > >>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > >>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > >>>> billion feet. > >>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > >>> as much as you like > >>> > >>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > >>> any figure you will say > >> > >> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > >> > >>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > >>> > >>> =GPS > >>> -does not use f en curved space > >> > >> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > >> > >>> NASSA as well does not use it > >>> no one will ever use it > >>> > >>> only idiots use it > >>> in their imagination > >>> -- > >>> but the bad point of it > >>> preventing > >>> real advance !!!! > >>> and wasting > >>> precious human resources !!! > >>> > >>> ============== > >>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > >>> > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> ----------------- > >>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > >>> not your fault > >>> you was born --A PARROT > >>> =================the real nice at night dream > >>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > >>> of f en curved space > >>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > >>> =================TIA > >>> Y.P > >>> ============> > > ============================DEAR Boddy > > please tell us about a physical entity > > > > THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > > Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > ================== (:-) ??? just tell us where did you find such a creature and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? 2 a magnetic field does not have mass ?? what is it composed of ?? 3 an em wave does not have mass ?!! ==== TIA Y.P ===================== =
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 08:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4f5a3a65-add7-436c-8bf5-0257ecfe6e64@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712534 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > > >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > > >>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > > >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > > >>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> for me > > >>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > > >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > > >>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > > >>>>>>>>>> FOR > > >>>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > > >>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > > >>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > > >>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > > >>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > > >>>>>>>>>> ====== > > >>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > > >>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > > >>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > > >>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > > >>>>>>>>>> other real > > >>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > > >>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > > >>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > > >>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > > >>>>>>>>>> except > > >>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > > >>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > > >>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > > >>>>>>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > > >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > > >>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > > >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > > >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > > >>>>>>>>>> Eng > > >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > > >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > > >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > > >>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > > >>>>>>>>> by saying that: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> TIA > > >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ===================> > > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > > >>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > > >>>>>>>> you a little? > > >>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > > >>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > > >>>>>>> the net > > >>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>> please note > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> if space is curved > > >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > > >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > > >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > > >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > > >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > > >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > > >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > > >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > > >>>>>>> probably > > >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > > >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > > >>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > > >>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > > >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > > >>>>>>> they move in straight lines > > >>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > > >>>>>>> an > > >>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > > >>>>>>> not because curved space !! > > >>>>>>> but curved globe > > >>>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>>> I indicated that > > >>>>>>> even according to my understanding > > >>>>>>> SR is right !!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > > >>>>>>> and i understand it > > >>>>>>> but not > > >>>>>>> Gr calculations > > >>>>>>> we have to find out > > >>>>>>> if they use > > >>>>>>> GR calculations > > >>>>>>> or may be > > >>>>>>> just SR calculations > > >>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > > >>>>>>> Sr > > >>>>>>> with GR ?? > > >>>>>>> we have to ask > > >>>>>>> the real people > > >>>>>>> who did it > > >>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > > >>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > > >>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > > >>>>>>> =================TIA > > >>>>>>> Y.P > > >>>>>>> ============== > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I told you parrot > > >>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > > >>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > > >>>>> but > > >>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > > >>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > > >>>>> > > >>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > > >>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > > >>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > > >>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > > >>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > > >>>> > > >>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > > >>>> spacetime for several reasons. > > >>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > >>> > > >>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > > >>> space got to do anything with > > >>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > >>> > > >>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! > > >> > > >> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > > >> science. > > >> > > >>> > > >>> ==> > > > >>>> 2. The line of sight > > >>> --- > > >>> I said 'line of site' > > >>> > > >>> only to indicate that > > >>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > > >>> to keep contact !!! > > >>> and as anyone know > > >>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > > >> > > >> But they DONT. That s the point. > > >> > > >>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > > >>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > > >>> (if IS ) > > >>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > > >>> > > >>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > > >>> indeed a very small tiny mass > > >>> > > >>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > > >>> HAS A BIG MASS > > >>> SO] > > >>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > > >>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > > >>> indeed a very small interaction > > >>> > > >>> not because of f en curved space !! > > >>> as well as > > >>> Edington at his time > > >>> could not know that > > >>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > > >>> not relativistic mass > > >>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > >>> > > >>> -------------------------------------- > > >>> > > >>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > > >>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > > >>>> negligible. > > >>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > > >>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > > >>> ============== > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > > >>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > > >>>> billion feet. > > >>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > > >>> as much as you like > > >>> > > >>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > > >>> any figure you will say > > >> > > >> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > > >> > > >>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > >>> > > >>> =GPS > > >>> -does not use f en curved space > > >> > > >> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > > >> > > >>> NASSA as well does not use it > > >>> no one will ever use it > > >>> > > >>> only idiots use it > > >>> in their imagination > > >>> -- > > >>> but the bad point of it > > >>> preventing > > >>> real advance !!!! > > >>> and wasting > > >>> precious human resources !!! > > >>> > > >>> ============== > > >>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > >>> > > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > >>> ----------------- > > >>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > > >>> not your fault > > >>> you was born --A PARROT > > >>> =================the real nice at night dream > > >>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > > >>> of f en curved space > > >>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > > >>> =================TIA > > >>> Y.P > > >>> ============> > > > ============================DEAR Boddy > > > please tell us about a physical entity > > > > > > THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > > > > Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > > ================== > (:-) ??? > just tell us > where did you find > such a creature > and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > 2 > a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > what is it composed of ?? > 3 > an em wave does not have mass ?!! > ==== > TIA > Y.P > ===================== what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! ===================== TIA Y.P ============= > > =
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 10:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b06ff8f1-f7bd-4c77-9226-e2ba83854907@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712540 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:34:39 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > > > >>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > > > >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > > > >>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> for me > > > >>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > > > >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > > > >>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> FOR > > > >>>>>>>>>> his > > > >>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > > > >>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > > > >>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > > > >>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > > > >>>>>>>>>> ====== > > > >>>>>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > > > >>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > > > >>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > > > >>>>>>>>>> other real > > > >>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > > > >>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > > > >>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> except > > > >>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > > > >>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2 > > > >>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > > > >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > > > >>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > > > >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > > > >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > > > >>>>>>>>>> Eng > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > > > >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > > > >>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > > > >>>>>>>>> by saying that: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> TIA > > > >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> ===================> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > > > >>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > > > >>>>>>>> you a little? > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > > > >>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > > > >>>>>>> the net > > > >>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>> please note > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> if space is curved > > > >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > > > >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > > > >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > > > >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > > > >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > > > >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > > > >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > > > >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > > > >>>>>>> probably > > > >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > > > >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > > > >>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > > > >>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > > > >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > > > >>>>>>> they move in straight lines > > > >>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > > > >>>>>>> an > > > >>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > > > >>>>>>> not because curved space !! > > > >>>>>>> but curved globe > > > >>>>>>> 2 > > > >>>>>>> I indicated that > > > >>>>>>> even according to my understanding > > > >>>>>>> SR is right !!! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > > > >>>>>>> and i understand it > > > >>>>>>> but not > > > >>>>>>> Gr calculations > > > >>>>>>> we have to find out > > > >>>>>>> if they use > > > >>>>>>> GR calculations > > > >>>>>>> or may be > > > >>>>>>> just SR calculations > > > >>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > > > >>>>>>> Sr > > > >>>>>>> with GR ?? > > > >>>>>>> we have to ask > > > >>>>>>> the real people > > > >>>>>>> who did it > > > >>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > > > >>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > > > >>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > > > >>>>>>> =================TIA > > > >>>>>>> Y.P > > > >>>>>>> ============== > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I told you parrot > > > >>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > > > >>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > > > >>>>> but > > > >>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > > > >>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > > > >>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > > > >>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > > > >>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > > > >>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > > > >>>> spacetime for several reasons. > > > >>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > > >>> > > > >>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > > > >>> space got to do anything with > > > >>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > > >>> > > > >>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! > > > >> > > > >> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > > > >> science. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> ==> > > > > >>>> 2. The line of sight > > > >>> --- > > > >>> I said 'line of site' > > > >>> > > > >>> only to indicate that > > > >>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > > > >>> to keep contact !!! > > > >>> and as anyone know > > > >>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > > > >> > > > >> But they DONT. That s the point. > > > >> > > > >>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > > > >>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > > > >>> (if IS ) > > > >>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > > > >>> > > > >>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > > > >>> indeed a very small tiny mass > > > >>> > > > >>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > > > >>> HAS A BIG MASS > > > >>> SO] > > > >>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > > > >>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > > > >>> indeed a very small interaction > > > >>> > > > >>> not because of f en curved space !! > > > >>> as well as > > > >>> Edington at his time > > > >>> could not know that > > > >>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > > > >>> not relativistic mass > > > >>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > > >>> > > > >>> -------------------------------------- > > > >>> > > > >>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > > > >>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > > > >>>> negligible. > > > >>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > > > >>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > > > >>> ============== > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > > > >>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > > > >>>> billion feet. > > > >>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > > > >>> as much as you like > > > >>> > > > >>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > > > >>> any figure you will say > > > >> > > > >> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > > > >> > > > >>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > > >>> > > > >>> =GPS > > > >>> -does not use f en curved space > > > >> > > > >> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > > > >> > > > >>> NASSA as well does not use it > > > >>> no one will ever use it > > > >>> > > > >>> only idiots use it > > > >>> in their imagination > > > >>> -- > > > >>> but the bad point of it > > > >>> preventing > > > >>> real advance !!!! > > > >>> and wasting > > > >>> precious human resources !!! > > > >>> > > > >>> ============== > > > >>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > > >>> > > > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > >>> ----------------- > > > >>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > > > >>> not your fault > > > >>> you was born --A PARROT > > > >>> =================the real nice at night dream > > > >>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > > > >>> of f en curved space > > > >>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > > > >>> =================TIA > > > >>> Y.P > > > >>> ============> > > > > ============================DEAR Boddy > > > > please tell us about a physical entity > > > > > > > > THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > > > > > > Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > > > > ================== > > (:-) ??? > > just tell us > > where did you find > > such a creature > > and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > > 2 > > a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > > what is it composed of ?? > > 3 > > an em wave does not have mass ?!! > > ==== > > TIA > > Y.P > > > ===================== > what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > > ===================== > TIA > Y.P > ============= if it is too difficult for you I will help you a bit :... see the Maxwell equations and its constants as well == TIA Y.P ================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pschen$1pmg$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712540 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites >>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I told you parrot >>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>>>>> >>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>>>>> space got to do anything with >>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>>>>> >>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! >>>>> >>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >>>>> science. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==> > >>>>>>> 2. The line of sight >>>>>> --- >>>>>> I said 'line of site' >>>>>> >>>>>> only to indicate that >>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>>>>> to keep contact !!! >>>>>> and as anyone know >>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >>>>> >>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. >>>>> >>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>>>>> (if IS ) >>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>>>>> >>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>>>>> >>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS >>>>>> SO] >>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>>>>> indeed a very small interaction >>>>>> >>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! >>>>>> as well as >>>>>> Edington at his time >>>>>> could not know that >>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>>>>> not relativistic mass >>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>>>>> negligible. >>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>>>>> ============== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>>>>> billion feet. >>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>>>>> as much as you like >>>>>> >>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>>>>> any figure you will say >>>>> >>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >>>>> >>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>>>>> >>>>>> =GPS >>>>>> -does not use f en curved space >>>>> >>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. >>>>> >>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it >>>>>> no one will ever use it >>>>>> >>>>>> only idiots use it >>>>>> in their imagination >>>>>> -- >>>>>> but the bad point of it >>>>>> preventing >>>>>> real advance !!!! >>>>>> and wasting >>>>>> precious human resources !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>>>>> not your fault >>>>>> you was born --A PARROT >>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream >>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>>>>> of f en curved space >>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>> Y.P >>>>>> ============> >>>> ============================DEAR Boddy >>>> please tell us about a physical entity >>>> >>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! >>> >>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. >>> >> ================== >> (:-) ??? >> just tell us >> where did you find >> such a creature >> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? >> 2 >> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? >> what is it composed of ?? >> 3 >> an em wave does not have mass ?!! >> ==== >> TIA >> Y.P >> > ===================== > what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > > ===================== > TIA > Y.P > ============= >> >> = > > It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined in terms of Planck’s constant. Dimensions do not tell you what a quantity is made of. They never have. I don’t have any idea where you got the idea they do. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 11:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5016e2f3-c509-4720-b89e-63d5d82f73a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712558 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR > >>>>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>>>>>>>>> other real > >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> except > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>>>>>>>>> you a little? > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>>>>>>>>> the net > >>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>> please note > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites > >>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> if space is curved > >>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>>>>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines > >>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > >>>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > >>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! > >>>>>>>>>> but curved globe > >>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>> I indicated that > >>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding > >>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>>>>>>>>> and i understand it > >>>>>>>>>> but not > >>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations > >>>>>>>>>> we have to find out > >>>>>>>>>> if they use > >>>>>>>>>> GR calculations > >>>>>>>>>> or may be > >>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations > >>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>>>>>>>>> Sr > >>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? > >>>>>>>>>> we have to ask > >>>>>>>>>> the real people > >>>>>>>>>> who did it > >>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > >>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I told you parrot > >>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > >>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > >>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > >>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > >>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > >>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > >>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > >>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. > >>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > >>>>>> space got to do anything with > >>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > >>>>>> > >>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! > >>>>> > >>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > >>>>> science. > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ==> > > >>>>>>> 2. The line of sight > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> I said 'line of site' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> only to indicate that > >>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > >>>>>> to keep contact !!! > >>>>>> and as anyone know > >>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > >>>>> > >>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. > >>>>> > >>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > >>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > >>>>>> (if IS ) > >>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > >>>>>> > >>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > >>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass > >>>>>> > >>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > >>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS > >>>>>> SO] > >>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > >>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > >>>>>> indeed a very small interaction > >>>>>> > >>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! > >>>>>> as well as > >>>>>> Edington at his time > >>>>>> could not know that > >>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > >>>>>> not relativistic mass > >>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > >>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > >>>>>>> negligible. > >>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > >>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > >>>>>> ============== > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > >>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > >>>>>>> billion feet. > >>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > >>>>>> as much as you like > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > >>>>>> any figure you will say > >>>>> > >>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > >>>>> > >>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> =GPS > >>>>>> -does not use f en curved space > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > >>>>> > >>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it > >>>>>> no one will ever use it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> only idiots use it > >>>>>> in their imagination > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> but the bad point of it > >>>>>> preventing > >>>>>> real advance !!!! > >>>>>> and wasting > >>>>>> precious human resources !!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > >>>>>> not your fault > >>>>>> you was born --A PARROT > >>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream > >>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > >>>>>> of f en curved space > >>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > >>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>> ============> > >>>> ============================DEAR Boddy > >>>> please tell us about a physical entity > >>>> > >>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > >>> > >>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > >>> > >> ================== > >> (:-) ??? > >> just tell us > >> where did you find > >> such a creature > >> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > >> 2 > >> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > >> what is it composed of ?? > >> 3 > >> an em wave does not have mass ?!! > >> ==== > >> TIA > >> Y.P > >> > > ===================== > > what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > > > > ===================== > > TIA > > Y.P > > ============= > >> > >> = > > > > > > It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined > in terms of Planck’s constant. ===================== so ??!! E photon = h f energy has mass !! ================================================================= NO MASS - THE ONLY MASS = NO REAL; PHYSICS ! ================================================== REMEBER WHO DEFINED/COINED IT THE FIRST ONE !! SO YOUR MAGNETIC FEILD HAS MASS !! > > Dimensions do not tell you what a quantity is made of. ==================== QHANTITY ?? who was talking about quantity of mass is in magnetic field al a claimed is that thre is no real** physics entity**that has no mass - the only mass ! em waves has mass our globe has mass that is why em or magnetic waves are curving next earth NOT F EN CURVES SPACE but that curvature is not enough to curve all around our globe and that is why we need a long chain of transmission stations to transmit the G P S around earth f en curved space has nothing todo with G PS system ! so anoher thing(GPS) even GPS that don't need curved space and GPS is another thing that do not use curved spade ! 2 NASSA AS WELL DOES NOT NEED IT IF SO WHO THEHELL IS HUSING IT ?? AND I WIILL TELL YOU ANOTHER SECRET (provided you will not disclose that secret to anyone … NO AUCH THING AS F EN CURVED SPACE ATALL !! it is all including all forces including gravity is done by ?.... can you complete that NEW historic sentence/basic rule of physics !! discovered by …??? I am too shy to shy and modest To say it .. ============= Y.P ================================= > > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables ----------------------------------------------------- toys indeed!! ==========================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-12 20:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pscmch$39u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712560 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites >>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot >>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>>>>>>> space got to do anything with >>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >>>>>>> science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==> > >>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only to indicate that >>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! >>>>>>>> and as anyone know >>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>>>>>>> (if IS ) >>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS >>>>>>>> SO] >>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! >>>>>>>> as well as >>>>>>>> Edington at his time >>>>>>>> could not know that >>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>>>>>>> not relativistic mass >>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>>>>>>> negligible. >>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>>>>>>> billion feet. >>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>>>>>>> as much as you like >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>>>>>>> any figure you will say >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =GPS >>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it >>>>>>>> no one will ever use it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only idiots use it >>>>>>>> in their imagination >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> but the bad point of it >>>>>>>> preventing >>>>>>>> real advance !!!! >>>>>>>> and wasting >>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>>>>>>> not your fault >>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT >>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream >>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>>>>>>> of f en curved space >>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>> ============> >>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy >>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity >>>>>> >>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! >>>>> >>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. >>>>> >>>> ================== >>>> (:-) ??? >>>> just tell us >>>> where did you find >>>> such a creature >>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? >>>> 2 >>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? >>>> what is it composed of ?? >>>> 3 >>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! >>>> ==== >>>> TIA >>>> Y.P >>>> >>> ===================== >>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! >>> >>> ===================== >>> TIA >>> Y.P >>> ============= >>>> >>>> = >>> >>> >> >> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined >> in terms of Planck’s constant. > ===================== > > so ??!! > E photon = h f > energy has mass !! No, it does not. I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. Where is the area in energy, Porat?? > ================================================================= > NO MASS - THE ONLY MASS = NO REAL; PHYSICS ! > ================================================== > REMEBER WHO DEFINED/COINED IT THE FIRST ONE !! > SO > YOUR MAGNETIC FEILD > HAS MASS !! >> >> Dimensions do not tell you what a quantity is made of. > ==================== > QHANTITY ?? > > who was talking about quantity of mass > is in magnetic field > al a claimed is that > > thre is no real** physics entity**that has no mass - the only mass ! > > em waves has mass > our globe has mass > that is why em or magnetic waves > are curving next earth > > NOT F EN CURVES SPACE > but that curvature is not enough to curve all around our globe > and that is why we need a long chain of transmission stations > to transmit the G P S around earth > f en curved space has nothing todo with G PS system ! > so > anoher thing(GPS) > > even GPS that don't need curved space > and GPS is another thing that do not use curved spade ! > 2 > NASSA AS WELL DOES NOT NEED IT > > IF SO > WHO THEHELL IS HUSING IT ?? > > AND I WIILL TELL YOU ANOTHER SECRET > (provided you will not disclose that secret to anyone … > > NO AUCH THING AS F EN CURVED SPACE ATALL !! > > > it is all including all forces including gravity is done by ?.... > can you complete that NEW historic sentence/basic rule of physics !! > > discovered by …??? > I am too shy to shy and modest To say it .. > ============= > Y.P > ================================= > > > > > > > > >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > ----------------------------------------------------- > toys indeed!! > ========================== > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-12 16:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1c4768ac-17b0-43d2-bede-f9e6ee289bba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712561 |
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ======
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ???
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the net
> >>>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>> please note
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites
> >>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved
> >>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES
> >>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES
> >>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> >>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> >>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net
> >>>>>>>>>>>> probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> >>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> >>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding
> >>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out
> >>>>>>>>>>>> if they use
> >>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or may be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sr
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ??
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the real people
> >>>>>>>>>>>> who did it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands''
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!??
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==============
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot
> >>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your
> >>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night
> >>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly
> >>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO??
> >>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE
> >>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !!
> >>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ???
> >>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ??
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of
> >>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons.
> >>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of
> >>>>>>>> space got to do anything with
> >>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of
> >>>>>>> science.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ==> >
> >>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> I said 'line of site'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> only to indicate that
> >>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed
> >>>>>>>> to keep contact !!!
> >>>>>>>> and as anyone know
> >>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY
> >>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION
> >>>>>>>> (if IS )
> >>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS
> >>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW
> >>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS
> >>>>>>>> SO]
> >>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN
> >>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !!
> >>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !!
> >>>>>>>> as well as
> >>>>>>>> Edington at his time
> >>>>>>>> could not know that
> >>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !!
> >>>>>>>> not relativistic mass
> >>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is
> >>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is
> >>>>>>>>> negligible.
> >>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves
> >>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!!
> >>>>>>>> ==============
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of
> >>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million
> >>>>>>>>> billion feet.
> >>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space
> >>>>>>>> as much as you like
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion
> >>>>>>>> any figure you will say
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> =GPS
> >>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it
> >>>>>>>> no one will ever use it
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> only idiots use it
> >>>>>>>> in their imagination
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> but the bad point of it
> >>>>>>>> preventing
> >>>>>>>> real advance !!!!
> >>>>>>>> and wasting
> >>>>>>>> precious human resources !!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ==============
> >>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>>>> -----------------
> >>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself
> >>>>>>>> not your fault
> >>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT
> >>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream
> >>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan
> >>>>>>>> of f en curved space
> >>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!!
> >>>>>>>> =================TIA
> >>>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>>> ============>
> >>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy
> >>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass.
> >>>>>
> >>>> ==================
> >>>> (:-) ???
> >>>> just tell us
> >>>> where did you find
> >>>> such a creature
> >>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass??
> >>>> 2
> >>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ??
> >>>> what is it composed of ??
> >>>> 3
> >>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!!
> >>>> ====
> >>>> TIA
> >>>> Y.P
> >>>>
> >>> =====================
> >>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??!
> >>>
> >>> =====================
> >>> TIA
> >>> Y.P
> >>> =============
> >>>>
> >>>> =
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined
> >> in terms of Planck’s constant.
> > =====================
> >
> > so ??!!
> > E photon = h f
> > energy has mass !!
>
> No, it does not.
================================================================================
>
> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions
> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area.
> Where is the area in energy, Porat??
>
>==============================================
which formula of energy
include L^2
please remind me ?
===========================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-13 01:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psd84g$vov$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712593 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot >>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with >>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE >>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >>>>>>>>> science. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ==> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that >>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! >>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know >>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) >>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS >>>>>>>>>> SO] >>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! >>>>>>>>>> as well as >>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time >>>>>>>>>> could not know that >>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass >>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>>>>>>>>> negligible. >>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. >>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>>>>>>>>> as much as you like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> =GPS >>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it >>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it >>>>>>>>>> in their imagination >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it >>>>>>>>>> preventing >>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! >>>>>>>>>> and wasting >>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>>>>>>>>> not your fault >>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT >>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream >>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space >>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>> ============> >>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy >>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ================== >>>>>> (:-) ??? >>>>>> just tell us >>>>>> where did you find >>>>>> such a creature >>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? >>>>>> 2 >>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? >>>>>> what is it composed of ?? >>>>>> 3 >>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! >>>>>> ==== >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> Y.P >>>>>> >>>>> ===================== >>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! >>>>> >>>>> ===================== >>>>> TIA >>>>> Y.P >>>>> ============= >>>>>> >>>>>> = >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined >>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. >>> ===================== >>> >>> so ??!! >>> E photon = h f >>> energy has mass !! >> >> No, it does not. > ================================================================================ >> >> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions >> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. >> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? >> >> ============================================== > > which formula of energy > include L^2 > please remind me ? I don’t know why you bother any more. Your memory is gone. You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. You can’t spell. And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire for good. SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the m^2 and where area is in energy. > > =========================== > > > > > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 22:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e700fc46-aef0-4ff5-8133-270394f6a021@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712600 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot > >>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > >>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > >>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > >>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > >>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > >>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > >>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > >>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with > >>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE > >>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > >>>>>>>>> science. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ==> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight > >>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that > >>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > >>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! > >>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know > >>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > >>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > >>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) > >>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > >>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS > >>>>>>>>>> SO] > >>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > >>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! > >>>>>>>>>> as well as > >>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time > >>>>>>>>>> could not know that > >>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > >>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass > >>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > >>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > >>>>>>>>>>> negligible. > >>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > >>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > >>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. > >>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > >>>>>>>>>> as much as you like > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > >>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> =GPS > >>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it > >>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it > >>>>>>>>>> in their imagination > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it > >>>>>>>>>> preventing > >>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! > >>>>>>>>>> and wasting > >>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > >>>>>>>>>> not your fault > >>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT > >>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream > >>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > >>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space > >>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>>>> ============> > >>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy > >>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> ================== > >>>>>> (:-) ??? > >>>>>> just tell us > >>>>>> where did you find > >>>>>> such a creature > >>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > >>>>>> 2 > >>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > >>>>>> what is it composed of ?? > >>>>>> 3 > >>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! > >>>>>> ==== > >>>>>> TIA > >>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>> > >>>>> ===================== > >>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > >>>>> > >>>>> ===================== > >>>>> TIA > >>>>> Y.P > >>>>> ============= > >>>>>> > >>>>>> = > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined > >>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. > >>> ===================== > >>> > >>> so ??!! > >>> E photon = h f > >>> energy has mass !! > >> > >> No, it does not. > > ================================================================================ > >> > >> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions > >> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. > >> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? > >> > >> ============================================== > > > > which formula of energy > > include L^2 > > please remind me ? > > I don’t know why you bother any more. > Your memory is gone. > You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. > You can’t spell. > And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. > Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire > for good. > > SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. ============================================== (:-) what is that Kg doing there ?!!! IS THAT FORMULA VALID WITHOUT IT ? let us take it one by one !!! 2 the fact some dimension is in some formula in ^2 does no mean it cannot be in an0ther formula without ^2 now about my age I don't know about others I know about myself it is a advantage now piggy book seller and potential thief as a book publisaher did you ever and can a young fu er like you places that I come from a f er like you ** never was there !** YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED AND TRAINED AS I AM !! see a little'** example: http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstrct can a pig shit crock do anything like that or even **START UNDERSTANDING* IT ??!! With you parrot education you got ??? does a f en idiot crock like you know THAT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ENTITY THAT IS NOT 3D?? AND A CROCK LIKE YOU WANT TO TEACCH US PHYSICS here ?? and to go on boggling the balls of anyone here to tell my to go away why?? because I disturb you to sell your f en books with the f en ''curved space '' that is and was wasting billions of precious human resources for so ling !!! instead investing it in the right location ??!! curved space IS NOT USED BY NASSA NOT USED BY G P S JUST NOTHING !!!! except income for shameless crocks like you !!! === keep well with your ''curved space'' and other bullshit physics but please remember*(and you can t otherwise ) my new historic copyright of an old man ... ========================================================= MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL** FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY !! ========================================================= even if you cant understand it-- even if I push it to your thought Y.P ====================== > > Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the > m^2 and where area is in energy. > > > > > =========================== > >
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 22:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bfdb38db-489e-4c6c-8f6e-c199843365d6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712617 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 8:27:55 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > > >>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > > >>>>>>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > > >>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > > >>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > > >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > > >>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with > > >>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE > > >>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > > >>>>>>>>> science. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> ==> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight > > >>>>>>>>>> --- > > >>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that > > >>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > > >>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know > > >>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > > >>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > > >>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) > > >>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > > >>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS > > >>>>>>>>>> SO] > > >>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > > >>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! > > >>>>>>>>>> as well as > > >>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time > > >>>>>>>>>> could not know that > > >>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > > >>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass > > >>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > > >>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > > >>>>>>>>>>> negligible. > > >>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > > >>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > > >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > > >>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. > > >>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > > >>>>>>>>>> as much as you like > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > > >>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> =GPS > > >>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it > > >>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it > > >>>>>>>>>> in their imagination > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it > > >>>>>>>>>> preventing > > >>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! > > >>>>>>>>>> and wasting > > >>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > > >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > > >>>>>>>>>> not your fault > > >>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT > > >>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream > > >>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > > >>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space > > >>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > > >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > > >>>>>>>>>> Y.P > > >>>>>>>>>> ============> > > >>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy > > >>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> ================== > > >>>>>> (:-) ??? > > >>>>>> just tell us > > >>>>>> where did you find > > >>>>>> such a creature > > >>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > > >>>>>> 2 > > >>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > > >>>>>> what is it composed of ?? > > >>>>>> 3 > > >>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! > > >>>>>> ==== > > >>>>>> TIA > > >>>>>> Y.P > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> ===================== > > >>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ===================== > > >>>>> TIA > > >>>>> Y.P > > >>>>> ============= > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> = > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined > > >>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. > > >>> ===================== > > >>> > > >>> so ??!! > > >>> E photon = h f > > >>> energy has mass !! > > >> > > >> No, it does not. > > > ================================================================================ > > >> > > >> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions > > >> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. > > >> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? > > >> > > >> ============================================== > > > > > > which formula of energy > > > include L^2 > > > please remind me ? > > > > I don’t know why you bother any more. > > Your memory is gone. > > You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. > > You can’t spell. > > And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. > > Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire > > for good. > > > > SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. > ============================================== > (:-) > > what is that Kg > doing there ?!!! > IS THAT FORMULA VALID > WITHOUT IT ? > let us take it > one by one !!! > 2 > > the fact some dimension is in some formula in ^2 > > does no mean it cannot be in an0ther formula without ^2 > now about my age > I don't know about others > I know about myself > it is a advantage > now piggy book seller and potential thief as a book publisaher > > did you ever and can a young fu er like you > places that I come from > a f er like you ** never was there !** > YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED AND TRAINED AS I AM !! > see a little'** example: > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstrct > > can a pig shit crock > do anything like that > or even **START UNDERSTANDING* IT ??!! > > With you parrot education you got ??? > does a f en idiot crock like you know > > THAT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ENTITY > THAT IS NOT 3D?? > AND A CROCK LIKE YOU WANT TO TEACCH US PHYSICS here ?? > and to go on boggling the balls of anyone here > to tell my to go away > why?? > because I disturb you to sell your f en books > with the f en ''curved space '' > that is and was wasting > billions of precious human resources for so ling !!! > instead investing it > in the right location ??!! > curved space > IS NOT USED BY NASSA > NOT USED BY G P S > JUST NOTHING !!!! > except income for shameless crocks like you !!! > === > keep well > with your ''curved space'' and other bullshit physics > > but please remember*(and you can t otherwise ) my new historic copyright > of an > old man ... > ========================================================= > MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL** FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY !! > > ========================================================= > even if you cant understand it-- even if I push it to your thought > > Y.P > ====================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the > > m^2 and where area is in energy. > > > > > > > > =========================== > > > sorry typo http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract hope it is right now == Y.P ====================
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 01:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1a147b7d-f6f3-4c35-8e40-93b22fb37c33@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712619 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 8:37:47 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 8:27:55 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > > > >>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with > > > >>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE > > > >>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > > > >>>>>>>>> science. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ==> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight > > > >>>>>>>>>> --- > > > >>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that > > > >>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > > > >>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know > > > >>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > > > >>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > > > >>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) > > > >>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > > > >>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS > > > >>>>>>>>>> SO] > > > >>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > > > >>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> as well as > > > >>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time > > > >>>>>>>>>> could not know that > > > >>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > > > >>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass > > > >>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> negligible. > > > >>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > > > >>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > > > >>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. > > > >>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > > > >>>>>>>>>> as much as you like > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > > > >>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> =GPS > > > >>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it > > > >>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it > > > >>>>>>>>>> in their imagination > > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it > > > >>>>>>>>>> preventing > > > >>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> and wasting > > > >>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ============== > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > >>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > > > >>>>>>>>>> not your fault > > > >>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT > > > >>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream > > > >>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > > > >>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space > > > >>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > > > >>>>>>>>>> Y.P > > > >>>>>>>>>> ============> > > > >>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy > > > >>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ================== > > > >>>>>> (:-) ??? > > > >>>>>> just tell us > > > >>>>>> where did you find > > > >>>>>> such a creature > > > >>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > > > >>>>>> 2 > > > >>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > > > >>>>>> what is it composed of ?? > > > >>>>>> 3 > > > >>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! > > > >>>>>> ==== > > > >>>>>> TIA > > > >>>>>> Y.P > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> ===================== > > > >>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ===================== > > > >>>>> TIA > > > >>>>> Y.P > > > >>>>> ============= > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> = > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined > > > >>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. > > > >>> ===================== > > > >>> > > > >>> so ??!! > > > >>> E photon = h f > > > >>> energy has mass !! > > > >> > > > >> No, it does not. > > > > ================================================================================ > > > >> > > > >> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions > > > >> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. > > > >> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? > > > >> > > > >> ============================================== > > > > > > > > which formula of energy > > > > include L^2 > > > > please remind me ? > > > > > > I don’t know why you bother any more. > > > Your memory is gone. > > > You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. > > > You can’t spell. > > > And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. > > > Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire > > > for good. > > > > > > SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. > > ============================================== > > (:-) > > > > what is that Kg > > doing there ?!!! > > IS THAT FORMULA VALID > > WITHOUT IT ? > > let us take it > > one by one !!! > > 2 > > > > the fact some dimension is in some formula in ^2 > > > > does no mean it cannot be in an0ther formula without ^2 > > now about my age > > I don't know about others > > I know about myself > > it is a advantage > > now piggy book seller and potential thief as a book publisaher > > > > did you ever and can a young fu er like you > > places that I come from > > a f er like you ** never was there !** > > YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED AND TRAINED AS I AM !! > > see a little'** example: > > > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstrct > > > > can a pig shit crock > > do anything like that > > or even **START UNDERSTANDING* IT ??!! > > > > With you parrot education you got ??? > > does a f en idiot crock like you know > > > > THAT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ENTITY > > THAT IS NOT 3D?? > > AND A CROCK LIKE YOU WANT TO TEACCH US PHYSICS here ?? > > and to go on boggling the balls of anyone here > > to tell my to go away > > why?? > > because I disturb you to sell your f en books > > with the f en ''curved space '' > > that is and was wasting > > billions of precious human resources for so ling !!! > > instead investing it > > in the right location ??!! > > curved space > > IS NOT USED BY NASSA > > NOT USED BY G P S > > JUST NOTHING !!!! > > except income for shameless crocks like you !!! > > === > > keep well > > with your ''curved space'' and other bullshit physics > > > > but please remember*(and you can t otherwise ) my new historic copyright > > of an > > old man ... > > ========================================================= > > MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL** FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY !! > > > > ========================================================= > > even if you cant understand it-- even if I push it to your thought > > > > Y.P > > ====================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the > > > m^2 and where area is in energy. > > > > > > > > > > > =========================== > > > > > sorry typo > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract > > hope it is right now > == > Y.P > ==================== in other words I have the** alternative**!! for f en 'curved space' see the Y circlon mechanism at the appendix of my above site ie it is basically done by mass!! not by f en ''curved space' space is nothing and can **do** nothing TIA Y.P =========== !
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psegdr$tu2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712617 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>>>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with >>>>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE >>>>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >>>>>>>>>>> science. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that >>>>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know >>>>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>>>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>>>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) >>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS >>>>>>>>>>>> SO] >>>>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>>>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! >>>>>>>>>>>> as well as >>>>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time >>>>>>>>>>>> could not know that >>>>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>>>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass >>>>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>>>>>>>>>>> negligible. >>>>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. >>>>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>>>>>>>>>>> as much as you like >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>>>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> =GPS >>>>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it >>>>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it >>>>>>>>>>>> in their imagination >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it >>>>>>>>>>>> preventing >>>>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> and wasting >>>>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ============== >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>>>>>>>>>>> not your fault >>>>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT >>>>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream >>>>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>>>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space >>>>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>>>>> ============> >>>>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy >>>>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ================== >>>>>>>> (:-) ??? >>>>>>>> just tell us >>>>>>>> where did you find >>>>>>>> such a creature >>>>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? >>>>>>>> what is it composed of ?? >>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! >>>>>>>> ==== >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===================== >>>>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===================== >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>> ============= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined >>>>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. >>>>> ===================== >>>>> >>>>> so ??!! >>>>> E photon = h f >>>>> energy has mass !! >>>> >>>> No, it does not. >>> ================================================================================ >>>> >>>> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions >>>> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. >>>> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? >>>> >>>> ============================================== >>> >>> which formula of energy >>> include L^2 >>> please remind me ? >> >> I don’t know why you bother any more. >> Your memory is gone. >> You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. >> You can’t spell. >> And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. >> Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire >> for good. >> >> SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. > ============================================== > (:-) > > what is that Kg > doing there ?!!! What is that area doing there?!! You say kg in those dimensions means that there is mass in energy! So you must also be saying there is area in energy too! The rule of logic you claim to follow must be followed consistently or it is no rule at all! Where is your logic that you invoke it and then ignore it? Where is the area in energy? > IS THAT FORMULA VALID > WITHOUT IT ? > let us take it > one by one !!! > 2 > > the fact some dimension is in some formula in ^2 > > does no mean it cannot be in an0ther formula without ^2 > now about my age > I don't know about others > I know about myself > it is a advantage > now piggy book seller and potential thief as a book publisaher > > did you ever and can a young fu er like you > places that I come from > a f er like you ** never was there !** > YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED AND TRAINED AS I AM !! Bullshit. You can’t work a simple freshman physics problem. I can. Want to take a small bet on that? > see a little'** example: > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstrct > > can a pig shit crock > do anything like that > or even **START UNDERSTANDING* IT ??!! > > With you parrot education you got ??? > does a f en idiot crock like you know > > THAT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ENTITY > THAT IS NOT 3D?? > AND A CROCK LIKE YOU WANT TO TEACCH US PHYSICS here ?? > and to go on boggling the balls of anyone here > to tell my to go away > why?? > because I disturb you to sell your f en books > with the f en ''curved space '' > that is and was wasting > billions of precious human resources for so ling !!! > instead investing it > in the right location ??!! > curved space > IS NOT USED BY NASSA > NOT USED BY G P S > JUST NOTHING !!!! > except income for shameless crocks like you !!! > === > keep well > with your ''curved space'' and other bullshit physics > > but please remember*(and you can t otherwise ) my new historic copyright > of an > old man ... > ========================================================= > MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL** FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY !! > > ========================================================= > even if you cant understand it-- even if I push it to your thought > > Y.P > ====================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the >> m^2 and where area is in energy. >> >>> >>> =========================== >>> > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 06:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cf043203-f8dc-432b-ba59-ad3e142d61f2@googlegroups.com> |
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On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 2:35:13 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:53:04 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other real > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but curved globe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i understand it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to find out > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they use > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GR ?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real people > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told you parrot > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact is that prcticslly > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPs is using a thick net of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD WHY SO?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime for several reasons. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > >>>>>>>>>>>> space got to do anything with > >>>>>>>>>>>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE > >>>>>>>>>>>> 'JOB!!!! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of > >>>>>>>>>>> science. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ==> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The line of sight > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>> I said 'line of site' > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> only to indicate that > >>>>>>>>>>>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep contact !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> and as anyone know > >>>>>>>>>>>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> But they DONT. That s the point. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > >>>>>>>>>>>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > >>>>>>>>>>>> (if IS ) > >>>>>>>>>>>> LISTEN CAREFLLY > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS > >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small tiny mass > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > >>>>>>>>>>>> HAS A BIG MASS > >>>>>>>>>>>> SO] > >>>>>>>>>>>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > >>>>>>>>>>>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed a very small interaction > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> not because of f en curved space !! > >>>>>>>>>>>> as well as > >>>>>>>>>>>> Edington at his time > >>>>>>>>>>>> could not know that > >>>>>>>>>>>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > >>>>>>>>>>>> not relativistic mass > >>>>>>>>>>>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> is relevant between ground and satellite is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> negligible. > >>>>>>>>>>>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million > >>>>>>>>>>>>> billion feet. > >>>>>>>>>>>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > >>>>>>>>>>>> as much as you like > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > >>>>>>>>>>>> any figure you will say > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> =GPS > >>>>>>>>>>>> -does not use f en curved space > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes it does. It s in the documented design. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> NASSA as well does not use it > >>>>>>>>>>>> no one will ever use it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> only idiots use it > >>>>>>>>>>>> in their imagination > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> but the bad point of it > >>>>>>>>>>>> preventing > >>>>>>>>>>>> real advance !!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> and wasting > >>>>>>>>>>>> precious human resources !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ============== > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed the only right thing about yourself > >>>>>>>>>>>> not your fault > >>>>>>>>>>>> you was born --A PARROT > >>>>>>>>>>>> =================the real nice at night dream > >>>>>>>>>>>> is you and your damaging incurable clan > >>>>>>>>>>>> of f en curved space > >>>>>>>>>>>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA > >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>>>>>> ============> > >>>>>>>>>> ============================DEAR Boddy > >>>>>>>>>> please tell us about a physical entity > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ================== > >>>>>>>> (:-) ??? > >>>>>>>> just tell us > >>>>>>>> where did you find > >>>>>>>> such a creature > >>>>>>>> and how do you know it is 100 million miles from mass?? > >>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>> a magnetic field does not have mass ?? > >>>>>>>> what is it composed of ?? > >>>>>>>> 3 > >>>>>>>> an em wave does not have mass ?!! > >>>>>>>> ==== > >>>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ===================== > >>>>>>> what are the dimensions of a magnetic field ??! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ===================== > >>>>>>> TIA > >>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>> ============= > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> = > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It may interest you that the fundamental unit of kilograms is now defined > >>>>>> in terms of Planck’s constant. > >>>>> ===================== > >>>>> > >>>>> so ??!! > >>>>> E photon = h f > >>>>> energy has mass !! > >>>> > >>>> No, it does not. > >>> ================================================================================ > >>>> > >>>> I know you’re looking at dimensions again. Bad thing to do. The dimensions > >>>> of energy also include meters-squared, which are the dimensions of area. > >>>> Where is the area in energy, Porat?? > >>>> > >>>> ============================================== > >>> > >>> which formula of energy > >>> include L^2 > >>> please remind me ? > >> > >> I don’t know why you bother any more. > >> Your memory is gone. > >> You can’t do simple arithmetic anymore. > >> You can’t spell. > >> And you couldn’t look something up on the internet to save your life. > >> Whatever talents you once had have faded and are long gone. Time to retire > >> for good. > >> > >> SI units for energy are kg*m^2/s^2. > > ============================================== > > (:-) > > > > what is that Kg > > doing there ?!!! > > What is that area doing there?!! > > You say kg in those dimensions means that there is mass in energy! > So you must also be saying there is area in energy too! > > The rule of logic you claim to follow must be followed consistently or it > is no rule at all! > > Where is your logic that you invoke it and then ignore it? > > Where is the area in energy? > > > IS THAT FORMULA VALID > > WITHOUT IT ? > > let us take it > > one by one !!! > > 2 > > > > the fact some dimension is in some formula in ^2 > > > > does no mean it cannot be in an0ther formula without ^2 > > now about my age > > I don't know about others > > I know about myself > > it is a advantage > > now piggy book seller and potential thief as a book publisaher > > > > did you ever and can a young fu er like you > > places that I come from > > a f er like you ** never was there !** > > YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED AND TRAINED AS I AM !! > > Bullshit. You can’t work a simple freshman physics problem. I can. Want to > take a small bet on that? > > > see a little'** example: > > > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstrct > > > > can a pig shit crock > > do anything like that > > or even **START UNDERSTANDING* IT ??!! > > > > With you parrot education you got ??? > > does a f en idiot crock like you know > > > > THAT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ENTITY > > THAT IS NOT 3D?? > > AND A CROCK LIKE YOU WANT TO TEACCH US PHYSICS here ?? > > and to go on boggling the balls of anyone here > > to tell my to go away > > why?? > > because I disturb you to sell your f en books > > with the f en ''curved space '' > > that is and was wasting > > billions of precious human resources for so ling !!! > > instead investing it > > in the right location ??!! > > curved space > > IS NOT USED BY NASSA > > NOT USED BY G P S > > JUST NOTHING !!!! > > except income for shameless crocks like you !!! > > === > > keep well > > with your ''curved space'' and other bullshit physics > > > > but please remember*(and you can t otherwise ) my new historic copyright > > of an > > old man ... > > ========================================================= > > MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL** FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY !! > > > > ========================================================= > > even if you cant understand it-- even if I push it to your thought > > > > Y.P > > ====================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Now I know you’d like to pounce on that kg. But first, tell me about the > >> m^2 and where area is in energy. > >> > >>> > >>> =========================== while you call me freshman we all here realize that you are a shameless parrot pig!!! 2 just see my new thread about different combinations of basic dimensions !! that is not written in our parroting physics 2 anyone who will see my site only abstract!!! of my model any honest decent human being or **real** scientist will not *dare*****to call me freshman ~ unless a shameless crock like you Bodkin anonymous whos real name is PAUL DRAPER P D that is areal crock !! http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract AND at its appendix the '' y circlon mechanism' instead!!! of f en 'curved space' ============================================================== MASS IS THE CREATOR OF **ALL PHYSICS FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY =================================================================== FRESHMEN EH ?? keep well crock === Y.P ============================================================ http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an/abstract ============================================================= WHY NOT STEAL IT TO YOUR PUBLISHING COMPANY ?? =============================================================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pseuig$1p3h$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712648 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 2:35:13 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > =========================== > > while you call me freshman > we all here realize that you are a shameless parrot pig!!! > 2 > just see my new thread about > different combinations of basic dimensions !! > > that is not written in our parroting physics > 2 > anyone who will see my site only abstract!!! of my model > any honest decent human being or **real** scientist > will not *dare*****to call me > freshman ~ I didn’t call you a freshman. I said you cannot do freshman physics problems. I can. You are a pretender. Moreover, it seems you can no longer read. > unless a shameless crock like you Bodkin anonymous > whos real name is > PAUL DRAPER P D Wrong guy. > that is areal crock !! > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract > > AND at its appendix > > the '' y circlon mechanism' > instead!!! of f en 'curved space' > ============================================================== > MASS IS THE CREATOR OF **ALL PHYSICS FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY > =================================================================== > FRESHMEN EH ?? > > > keep well crock > === > Y.P > ============================================================ > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an/abstract > ============================================================= > WHY NOT STEAL IT TO YOUR PUBLISHING COMPANY ?? I don’t have a publishing company. I don’t work at a publishing company. Wrong guy. You can’t read. > ============================================================= > > > > > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 08:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f7e6d5a3-a64c-4b69-a25e-4ab07af837f0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712660 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 6:36:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 2:35:13 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:07:35 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 10:04:40 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:40:30 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > =========================== > > > > while you call me freshman > > we all here realize that you are a shameless parrot pig!!! > > 2 > > just see my new thread about > > different combinations of basic dimensions !! > > > > that is not written in our parroting physics > > 2 > > anyone who will see my site only abstract!!! of my model > > any honest decent human being or **real** scientist > > will not *dare*****to call me > > freshman ~ > > I didn’t call you a freshman. I said you cannot do freshman physics > problems. I can. > > You are a pretender. > > Moreover, it seems you can no longer read. > > > unless a shameless crock like you Bodkin anonymous > > whos real name is > > PAUL DRAPER P D > > Wrong guy. > > > that is areal crock !! > > > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract > > > > AND at its appendix > > > > the '' y circlon mechanism' > > instead!!! of f en 'curved space' > > ============================================================== > > MASS IS THE CREATOR OF **ALL PHYSICS FORCES -INCLUDING GRAVITY > > =================================================================== > > FRESHMEN EH ?? > > > > > > keep well crock > > === > > Y.P > > ============================================================ > > > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an/abstract > > ============================================================= > > WHY NOT STEAL IT TO YOUR PUBLISHING COMPANY ?? > > I don’t have a publishing company. I don’t work at a publishing company. > Wrong guy. > > You can’t read. > > > ============================================================= > > ============================ ok ! you are not PD and not a publishing co you know it is rather a bit pity for me because after all I had some sympathy to that PD --I way believe it or not I considered him --- even all after the disputes we had -- --as a civilized Gentleman !!… so may be a pity for you ?? ===== Y.P ====================
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