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  Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 13:36 +1100
    Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 15:16 +1100
      Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-02 19:31 +0000
        Oxygen shortens your life. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 16:12 -0800
          Re: Oxygen shortens your life. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 17:55 +0000
            You can't change how you were built. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-04 13:23 -0800
              Re: Jeff Relf wrong yet again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 23:07 +0000
                Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-04 15:50 -0800
                  Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeannette Winebarger <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> - 2017-03-05 00:05 +0000
                    Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-05 02:58 +0000
                      Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeannette Winebarger <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> - 2017-03-05 13:28 +0000
                        Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-03-08 08:42 +1100
                          Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 16:23 -0600
                            Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-07 17:54 -0500
                              Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 16:25 -0800
                          Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 03:35 +0000
                            Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-03-09 04:35 +1100
                              Re: Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge is a spastic moron, period. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 22:33 +0000
                                Re: Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge is a spastic moron, period. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-03-10 05:26 +1100
                    Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Eddie Zamudio <du@dddzwwaz.da> - 2017-03-06 15:15 +0000
                  Re: Jeff Relf knows he has no answers to what I wrote. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-05 02:56 +0000
              Re: You can't change how you were built. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 18:24 -0500
        Re: Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-03-03 18:33 -0500
          Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-06 17:18 +0000
      Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-03 07:03 -0600
      Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 13:04 -0800
    Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-02 14:11 +0000
      Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 11:34 -0800
        Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 13:36 -0800
          Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-02 16:49 -0800
        How Many Heartbeats Do You Have Left ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 16:27 -0800
          What the fuck is wrong with you Relf? Bubonic Betty <thecrusher191919@tearitup.org> - 2017-03-03 03:41 +0000
            How Many Heartbeats Do You Have Left ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 20:02 -0800
    Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 17:36 -0500

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#621136 — Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny.

On 1/03/2017 9:56 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> TakuyaSaitoh wrote:
>> http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-blue-zone-loma-linda-20150711-story.html
>> https://www.bluezones.com/exploration/loma-linda-california/
>
> None of those 100 year olds are tall or fat because
> they eat only _homemade food; beans, not meat and milk.
> Likewise in Japan, 100 year old people are all short and skinny.
>
> "Life Extension" comes at a price; the choice is:
>
>    1 - Live FASTER, breathing FASTER.   - OR -
>    2 - Live longer.
>
> Horses live 7 times longer than squirrels because,
> per pound, they consume oxygen 7 times SLOWER.
>
> A dormant bee lives many months;
> once activated, it dies a few weeks later.
> Why ?  Because the activated bee consumes oxygen FASTER.
>
>

Some birds are very long lived, and can hardly have a low metabolic rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulphur-crested_cockatoo

Sylvia.

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#621148 — Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price.

On 2/03/2017 2:00 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Quoting Sylvia_Else's link
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulphur-crested_cockatoo#Behaviour
>
>    [ SulphurCrested Cockatoo ] can live upwards of 70 years in captivity,
>    although they only live to about 20–40 years in the wild.

>
> Similarly, dormant bees live months, active bees live weeks.
> Why ?  Because the activated bee consumes oxygen FASTER.
>
> "Life Extension" comes at a price; the choice is:
>
>    1 - Live FASTER, breathing FASTER.   - OR -
>    2 - Live longer.
>
> 5 Immortal Species:
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-2QH-b7zsc
>
>

You're overlooking that fact that even captive cockatoos still have a 
much higher metabolic rate than humans, but can live just as long. The 
lower life expectancy of the wild ones probably has more to do with the 
problems associated with aging which are fatal in the wild, but 
manageable in captivity. "Wild" humans don't do so well either.

Sylvia.

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#621228 — Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price.

Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>This way, you consume less oxygen.
>Yes, oxygen shortens your life.

Silly Relf with his silly pseudoscience.

The real secret to the Fountain of Youth appears to be the ability to
regenerate telomeres (without creating cancers). Without doing so, cells
can divide only so many times, then they cannot divide or they die.

A secondary one is repairing damaged DNA which accumulates over time.

Many cancer cells turn on the ability to regenerate telomeres, which is
why they grow out of control.  The body needs the ability to regenerate
telomeres to create sperm and eggs, a kind of "reset".

Henrietta Lacks is immortal, although she died in the 1950s. At least her
cancer is immortal.  It's the source of the "HeLa" cell line, used widely
in research into testing almost anything to see if it's harmful to humans,
making vaccines, etc.  That cell line regenerates telomeres, and is very
easy to grow in the lab.  It's over 60 years old and may live as long as
researchers need to know what harms humans, without actually harming humans.

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#621267 — Oxygen shortens your life.

As appealing as "immortal cancer cells" sounds, 
I doubt you'd ever benefit from the research, Michael Moroney.

Oxygen shortens your life.

Quoting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-radical_theory_of_aging

  The free radical theory of aging ( FRTA ) 
  states that organisms age because cells 
  accumulate  free radical damage  over time.
  [....]
  free radicals are highly reactive.
  For most biological structures, free radical damage 
  is closely associated with oxidative damage.  
  [....]
  mitochondrial oxygen radical generation 
  is lower in long-lived birds than in 
  short-lived mammals of comparable body size and metabolic rate.

"Life Extension" comes at a price; to wit:

  Eat very little, your whole life, staying short and skinny.
  There are no fat, tall 100 year olds.

  Eat vegan ( like "LukeIsNotSexy" ).
  Be mild and effeminate, MetroSexual.
  Cut off your balls.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.

Woody Allen knows, do you ?

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#621471 — Re: Oxygen shortens your life.

Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>As appealing as "immortal cancer cells" sounds, 
>I doubt you'd ever benefit from the research, Michael Moroney.

Who knows? I probably already have.  This cell line is VERY popular in
research and has been used to develop and test vaccines.  It is about as
immortal as any living thing can be, it is very easy to grow, to the point
where researchers working with other cell lines had their work ruined 
because a HeLa cell got in their culture, multiplied and took over.
60 years and going quite strong.

>Oxygen shortens your life.


Bad Relf science, WAY oversimplified.  It's DNA damage and running out of
telomeres that shortens life. DNA damage can be caused by free radicals,
but their level is NOT proportional to an organism's oxygen usage.  
(Otherwise, people with emphysema, smokers (who have some of their
hemoglobin and myoglobin disabled by carbon monoxide) and sedentary people
would live longer than people with normal lungs, nonsmokers and people who
regularly exercise, when the opposite is true.  And I already corrected
you regarding bees, yet you ignored it and repeated your foolishness.

It's the amount of antioxidants which fight free radicals that mainly
determine the level of free radicals.  Also the ability to repair DNA, 
which is better in some species than others. For example, naked mole rats
have the same level of reactive oxygen species (free radicals produced by
oxygen) as the mouse but live 10 times as long. They have a much better
DNA repair mechanism than the mouse, which is why they live longer despite
similar reactive oxygen species levels.

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#621504 — You can't change how you were built.

You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
> naked mole rats have the same level of reactive oxygen species 
> ( free radicals ) as the mouse but live 10 times as long.
> 
> They have a much better DNA repair mechanism than the mouse, which is 
> why they live longer despite similar reactive oxygen species levels.

No matter how you were built, with whatever "DNA repair",
_Oxygen _Consumption _Per _Pound determines your lifespan.

Like reptiles, Naked MoleRats assume the temperature of their surroundings,
thus _consuming far less oxygen ( per pound ).

Quoting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation

  cold naked mole-rats huddle together or seek shallow 
  parts of the burrows that are warmed by the sun. 

  Conversely, when they get too hot, naked mole-rats 
  retreat to the deeper, cooler parts of the burrows.  

Compared to rats, MoleRats have low metabolic/respiratory rates,
less oxygen intake ( per pound ); hence the longer lifespan.

Compared to your ancestors, you have a sedentary lifestyle,
and artificial heaters/coolers; so you live longer.

Compared to birds, Mammals have weaker mitochondria.

You can't change how you were built.

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#621521 — Re: Jeff Relf wrong yet again.

Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
>> naked mole rats have the same level of reactive oxygen species 
>> ( free radicals ) as the mouse but live 10 times as long.
>> 
>> They have a much better DNA repair mechanism than the mouse, which is 
>> why they live longer despite similar reactive oxygen species levels.

>No matter how you were built, with whatever "DNA repair",
>_Oxygen _Consumption _Per _Pound determines your lifespan.

Nope.  See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791056/

"In the case of extremely long-lived naked mole-rat, levels of ROS
[reactive oxygen species] production are found to be similar to mice,
antioxidant defenses unexceptional, and even under constitutive
conditions, naked mole-rats combine a pro-oxidant intracellular milieu
with high, steady state levels of oxidative damage. Clearly, naked
mole-rats can tolerate this level of oxidative stress and must have
mechanisms in place to prevent its translation into potentially lethal
diseases."

In other words, naked mole rats have as much oxygen-related stress as
mice, but unlike mice, they can deal with it.

You should quit making up crap and pretending it's true.

>Quoting
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation

Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.

>Compared to your ancestors, you have a sedentary lifestyle,
>and artificial heaters/coolers; so you live longer.

Yet sedentary people tend to live shorter lives than those who exercise
regularly.

And my ancestors had to deal with diseases now rare, famines, hungry
sabre-toothed tigers, mean slavemasters, more injuries from farming/
hunting, no doctors (or doctors who believed in such things as
bloodletting) etc. etc. so of course they lived shorter lives.

So if you are worried about oxygen killing you, eat your antioxidant
loaded fruits and veggies and get enough Vitamins C and E.

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#621534 — Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
> > Quoting
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation
> 
> Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.

You're a spastic moron, period.

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#621543 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
>> > Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation
>> 
>> Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.
> 
> You're a spastic moron, period.

We agree. Give me something I can use in my Divergent Matter Theory.

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#621559 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

The nymshifting troll, posting as Jeannette Winebarger <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> writes:

>Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

>> You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
>>> > Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation
>>> 
>>> Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.
>> 
>> You're a spastic moron, period.

>We agree. Give me something I can use in my Divergent Matter Theory.

"We", nymshifter? Are you including all of your old nyms in that?

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#621582 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

Michael Moroney wrote:

> The nymshifting troll, posting as Jeannette Winebarger
> <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> writes:
> 
>>Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> 
>>> You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
>>>> > Quoting
>>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation
>>>> 
>>>> Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.
>>> 
>>> You're a spastic moron, period.
> 
>>We agree. Give me something I can use in my Divergent Matter Theory.
> 
> "We", nymshifter? Are you including all of your old nyms in that?

Morony, is that  your real name?? What kind of stupid brain will give such 
a name to his body?? One can tell you are stupid just by reading your 
name. Now stfu and sit down. Or contribute.

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#622037 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

On 06/03/17 00:28, Jeannette Winebarger wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:

>>>>
>>>> You're a spastic moron, period.
>>
>>> We agree. Give me something I can use in my Divergent Matter
>>> Theory.
>>
>> "We", nymshifter? Are you including all of your old nyms in that?
>
> Morony, is that  your real name?? What kind of stupid brain will give
> such a name to his body?? One can tell you are stupid just by reading
> your name. Now stfu and sit down. Or contribute.

He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change 
his name to the nearest thing to it.


-- 

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#622045 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

On 3/7/2017 3:42 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote:
> He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
> eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change
> his name to the nearest thing to it.

When you have deteriorated to the point where you make fun of someone's 
name like a 2nd grader would do, then surely you understand that you are 
abdicating any right to be treated like a grown-up.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#622054 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

On 3/7/2017 5:23 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 3/7/2017 3:42 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote:
>> He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
>> eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change
>> his name to the nearest thing to it.
>
> When you have deteriorated to the point where you make fun of someone's
> name like a 2nd grader would do, then surely you understand that you are
> abdicating any right to be treated like a grown-up.
>
Certainly NOT Mr. Boinker!

2nd grade is what this newsgroup is all about!

Is making fun of your name OK since you are anonymous and really don't 
have a name anymore?

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#622064 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 3/7/2017 5:23 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > On 3/7/2017 3:42 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote:
> >> He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
> >> eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change
> >> his name to the nearest thing to it.
> >
> > When you have deteriorated to the point where you make fun of someone's
> > name like a 2nd grader would do, then surely you understand that you are
> > abdicating any right to be treated like a grown-up.
> >
> Certainly NOT Mr. Boinker!
> 
> 2nd grade is what this newsgroup is all about!
> 
> Is making fun of your name OK since you are anonymous and really don't 
> have a name anymore?

Odd's not capable of getting the depth and irony of your question, BenjJi.

Imagine the day Odd was born. His/Her/Its Mommy and Daddy take a look
at the baby. They shout, that's odd!! Ergo, let's name Odd, Odd! Perfect.

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#622090 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

"HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes:

>He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
>eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change 
>his name to the nearest thing to it.

Ralph, all the people I associate with outgrew that kind of crap about 
when they understood what 2+3 means.  Except immature you, of course.
I am proud of my Irish name, Ralph. You should be proud of your Irish name
'Rabbidge' as well. We Micks need to stick together, Ralph. Don't forget
to celebrate your Irish heritage on St. Paddy's Day coming up, Ralph!

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#622161 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

On 08/03/17 14:35, Michael Moroney wrote:
> "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes:
>
>> He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
>> eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change
>> his name to the nearest thing to it.
>
> Henry, all the people I associate with outgrew that kind of crap about
> when they understood what 2+3 means.  Except immature you, of course.
> I am proud of my Irish name, Henry. You should be proud of your Irish name
> 'McFarlane' as well. We Micks need to stick together, Henry. Don't forget
> to celebrate your Irish heritage on St. Paddy's Day coming up, Henry!

For those two occasions when I did make minor mistakes, I can blame my 
Irish ancestry.

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#622191 — Re: Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge is a spastic moron, period.

"HGW, DSc." <HG@....> writes:

>On 08/03/17 14:35, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> writes:
>>
>>> He became so used to being called a moron by everyone he met that he
>>> eventually accepted the fact. He then thought it appropriate to change
>>> his name to the nearest thing to it.
>>
>> Henry,

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, I did not address any nonexistent person "Henry",
Ralph.  Ralph Malcolm, why are you *still* so stupid that you haven't
learned that messing with my responses, Ralph, will simply make me repeat
your name "Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge" more and more, not less, Ralph.

>> Ralph, all the people I associate with outgrew that kind of crap about
>> when they understood what 2+3 means.  Except immature you, of course.
>> I am proud of my Irish name, Ralph. You should be proud of your Irish name
>> 'Rabbidge' as well. We Micks need to stick together, Ralph. Don't forget
>> to celebrate your Irish heritage on St. Paddy's Day coming up, Ralph!

>For those two occasions when I did make minor mistakes, I can blame my 
>Irish ancestry.

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, your many, many, many major mistakes include
messing with my replies, Ralph, and thinking you can get away with it,
Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.  Ralph, another major mistake of yours is thinking
that you can photoshop someone else's diploma, Ralph, and think you can
get away with doing so and claim you're a physicist, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.

Of course, your biggest major mistake, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, is not
learning from what many have tried to show you (Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge),
papers from experiments that show that light always moves at c, Ralph
Malcolm Rabbidge.

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#622303 — Re: Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge is a spastic moron, period.

On 09/03/17 09:33, Michael Moroney wrote something that no normal human 
could understand:

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#621767 — Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period.

Gary Harnagel wrote:

>> ....Stupid prick. Go hide in your momma panties.
> 
> You are a disgusting waste of space.

Nevermind, garlic. Your friends pAnalsing and Morony are stoopid like 
hell. More stupid than you are, if this should help. Something I don't 
recommend.

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