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Re: Jeff Relf wrong yet again.

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Jeff Relf wrong yet again.
Date 2017-03-04 23:07 +0000
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Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>You ( Michael Moroney ) wrote:
>> naked mole rats have the same level of reactive oxygen species 
>> ( free radicals ) as the mouse but live 10 times as long.
>> 
>> They have a much better DNA repair mechanism than the mouse, which is 
>> why they live longer despite similar reactive oxygen species levels.

>No matter how you were built, with whatever "DNA repair",
>_Oxygen _Consumption _Per _Pound determines your lifespan.

Nope.  See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791056/

"In the case of extremely long-lived naked mole-rat, levels of ROS
[reactive oxygen species] production are found to be similar to mice,
antioxidant defenses unexceptional, and even under constitutive
conditions, naked mole-rats combine a pro-oxidant intracellular milieu
with high, steady state levels of oxidative damage. Clearly, naked
mole-rats can tolerate this level of oxidative stress and must have
mechanisms in place to prevent its translation into potentially lethal
diseases."

In other words, naked mole rats have as much oxygen-related stress as
mice, but unlike mice, they can deal with it.

You should quit making up crap and pretending it's true.

>Quoting
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat#Thermoregulation

Quoting Wikipedia is a fool's mistake.

>Compared to your ancestors, you have a sedentary lifestyle,
>and artificial heaters/coolers; so you live longer.

Yet sedentary people tend to live shorter lives than those who exercise
regularly.

And my ancestors had to deal with diseases now rare, famines, hungry
sabre-toothed tigers, mean slavemasters, more injuries from farming/
hunting, no doctors (or doctors who believed in such things as
bloodletting) etc. etc. so of course they lived shorter lives.

So if you are worried about oxygen killing you, eat your antioxidant
loaded fruits and veggies and get enough Vitamins C and E.

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  Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 15:16 +1100
    Re: "Life Extension" comes at a price. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-02 19:31 +0000
      Oxygen shortens your life. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 16:12 -0800
        Re: Oxygen shortens your life. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 17:55 +0000
          You can't change how you were built. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-04 13:23 -0800
            Re: Jeff Relf wrong yet again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 23:07 +0000
              Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-04 15:50 -0800
                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeannette Winebarger <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> - 2017-03-05 00:05 +0000
                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-05 02:58 +0000
                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Jeannette Winebarger <taJaot@eeoJnee.org> - 2017-03-05 13:28 +0000
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                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 16:23 -0600
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                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 03:35 +0000
                Re: Michael Moroney is a spastic moron, period. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-03-09 04:35 +1100
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                Re: Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge is a spastic moron, period. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-03-10 05:26 +1100
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  Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-02 14:11 +0000
    Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 11:34 -0800
      Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 13:36 -0800
        Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-02 16:49 -0800
      How Many Heartbeats Do You Have Left ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 16:27 -0800
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          How Many Heartbeats Do You Have Left ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2017-03-02 20:02 -0800
  Re: 100 year old people are all short and skinny. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 17:36 -0500

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