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| Started by | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:25 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 15:56 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:39 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:46 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 00:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:22 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 06:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:35 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 12:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-22 14:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-23 10:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 16:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-24 17:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-25 16:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-26 10:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-27 07:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 22:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 01:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 00:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 00:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 13:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 00:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 12:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-23 15:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-08-23 20:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 05:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 12:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-28 07:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-15 15:17 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 12:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-11 20:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 10:58 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqriij$v7u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361009 |
On 2015-08-17 12:48 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 20:11:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-16 04:42 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:36:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:14 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:51:04 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-15 03:16 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:24:50 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>>>>>>>>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WHy should death be evil? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because killing life is evil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yeah LOL you should have told that to your god, it has murdered more >>>>>>> people than small pox, oh wait it made small pox also, so it gets >>>>>>> credit for all of those, ok then it has killed more people than >>>>>>> hitler, oh wait according to you it made hitler so it gets credit for >>>>>>> all of those also, I guess you are just fucked >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new >>>>>>>>> growth. Death is *good*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >>>>>>>> It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hell when your god kills it will torture the fuck out of people, >>>>>>> drowning, burning, disease... boy that sounds like a real stand up guy >>>>>>> that god of yours >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope. None of anything you have said including what you mentioned from >>>>>> the Bible has anything to do with the God of living. The God of living >>>>>> only gives life. Only the force of evil and sometimes it is the force of >>>>> >>>>> hey buddy whatever you have to tell yourself to wake up in the morning >>>>> is fine with me, but the truth is if you want to believe in this god >>>>> of yous then you must believe the only history and ONLY informatin >>>>> available which is the bible, so everything I said about what your god >>>>> is, to you and every other theist, holds true. so you go on >>>>> worshiping a murderer, rapist, torturer, pedofile. egomaniac. >>>> >>>> Except I don't. I only worship the God of living. I don't worship the >>>> God of killing. That's a different God. >>> >>> ah now I understand you other post about there beng two gods.... It >>> would seem that you have just confirmed you ability to act just like a >>> christian.... >> >> I'm not. I'm just a believer of God. I don't belong to any religion, but >> I'm familiar with the Christian faith. > > and you are just as fickle as those christian idiots Really? I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to. Can you explain? > >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> nature would take life. God as the source and energy of all living >>>>>> things does not kill life. For God to kill life, it would mean God has >>>>>> killed himself. It's stupid to even imagine such thing. >>>>> >>>>> no what is stupid is for you to continue to tell your self lies so >>>>> that you can believe the lie that your imaginary god is real >>>>> >>>> >>>> Empty claim without evidence. Where did I lie? >>> >>> well you previos post made no sense, just like what you just said. >>> Senseless jibber jabber. >>> >> >> That's too bad. I try my best to make it as simple as possible. > >
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 12:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <s1susa1kpu4hgu948be8679culfivq9cln@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #360534 |
On 12 Aug 2015 20:00:49 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >In article <mqffq7$q28$1@dont-email.me>, >niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> On 2015-08-12 05:13 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:48:49 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and >>>> fulfil your purpose just like any theist would in serving their >>>> God/gods. >>> >>> That does not mean I will get on my knees and pray to it, nor will I >>> give alms to it or eat crackers because of it. >> >> Irrelevant. You still have a god who sits in the center of your >> life for you to devote your life in serving him or it, despite the >> fact you call yourself an atheist. People who call themselves >> atheists really have no idea what the word god really means. > >How do you get from "a purpose" to "a god" as if the words have >identical meaning? They don't. God calls us to live the good life and that means to love and obey him and love your neighbor as yourself. That's what it's all about. Fail and it's the flames for you - the wheat hulls burned while the good wheat is stored. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqgmki$p4f$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360409 |
In article <mqe52i$pjo$1@dont-email.me>,
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
> understand what exactly I'm talking about.
"You'd agree with me if you were as {deep | cool | smart} as I am."
> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your
> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of
> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be
> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious
> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil
> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods.
This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to
all people.
-- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360533 |
On 2015-08-13 07:59 AM, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <mqe52i$pjo$1@dont-email.me>,
> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>
>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
>> understand what exactly I'm talking about.
>
> "You'd agree with me if you were as {deep | cool | smart} as I am."
>
>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your
>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of
>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be
>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious
>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil
>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods.
>
> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to
> all people.
>
> -- wds
>
For example?
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqi042$kki$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360551 |
In article <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil >>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >> >> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to >> all people. > > For example? For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqi4cl$v8l$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360575 |
On 2015-08-13 07:47 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil >>>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >>> >>> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to >>> all people. >> >> For example? > > For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which > they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, > you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to worship the God of living. > > You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you. No, I didn't. It was you. You were the one who claimed a human can exist without a purpose in life. That's why I asked you to give me an example. You haven't been able to so far. > > -- wds >
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqi6gc$rbt$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360583 |
In article <mqi4cl$v8l$3@dont-email.me>,
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> William December Starr wrote:
>
>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which
>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting,
>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.)
>
> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
> worship the God of living.
Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though.
>> You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you.
>
> No, I didn't. It was you. You were the one who claimed a human can
> exist without a purpose in life.
However, *prior to that* you claimed it couldn't. Ergo, burden of
proof on you.
> That's why I asked you to give me an example. You haven't been
> able to so far.
Hmm. Anybody who ever committed suicide[1]?
No wait, then you're going to say that their purpose in life was to
not exist, aren't you?
-----------
*1: Excluding, I suppose, those for whom it was self-sacrifice,
e.g., a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his
fellows.
-- wds
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kpjpsalguml0fek05rib3up7geotujsu5o@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #360601 |
On 13 Aug 2015 09:36:12 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >In article <mqi4cl$v8l$3@dont-email.me>, >niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >> >>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which >>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, >>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) >> >> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >> worship the God of living. > >Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >deus-morphize -- Theomorphize. "Deus" is Latin, while "anthropo-," "theo-," and "morph" are Greek. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqijud$c0n$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360628 |
In article <kpjpsalguml0fek05rib3up7geotujsu5o@reader80.eternal-september.org>, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> said: > wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>> worship the God of living. >> >> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >> deus-morphize -- > > Theomorphize. "Deus" is Latin, while "anthropo-," "theo-," and > "morph" are Greek. Thank you. I knew I wasnt doing it right. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360601 |
On 2015-08-13 09:36 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqi4cl$v8l$3@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >> >>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which >>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, >>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) >> >> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >> worship the God of living. > > Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, > deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of > something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, then I guess we can talk about the one true God, and why it is necessary and important for everyone to know the only true God. > >>> You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you. >> >> No, I didn't. It was you. You were the one who claimed a human can >> exist without a purpose in life. > > However, *prior to that* you claimed it couldn't. Ergo, burden of > proof on you. My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. There is nothing to prove. Since you disagree, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is not a common sense which can be agreed upon by everyone. > >> That's why I asked you to give me an example. You haven't been >> able to so far. > > Hmm. Anybody who ever committed suicide[1]? > > No wait, then you're going to say that their purpose in life was to > not exist, aren't you? No. I would rather say that people who commit suicide because they think they have failed their purpose in life which is so important to them that their entire existence is based on. It's just like they have failed their god. Therefore, they can not find any other alternative except to kill themselves. > > ----------- > *1: Excluding, I suppose, those for whom it was self-sacrifice, > e.g., a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his > fellows. > > -- wds >
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqp7am$jmm$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360685 |
In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>> worship the God of living. >> >> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. > > Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody > including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. [...] > My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious > and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360955 |
On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>> worship the God of living. >>> >>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >> >> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, > > We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so > non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no exception for everybody. It's universal. > > [...] > >> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. > > "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it > must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what I'm talking about. > > -- wds >
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqq89o$387$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360983 |
In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal >>> level, >> >> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. > > That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal > level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is > the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even > when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life > for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no > exception for everybody. It's universal. [...] >>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >> >> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. > > I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps > you need to look within yourself and your life in order to > understand what I'm talking about. This is where I stop talking to you. You've played the smarmy "If you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me" card one time too many. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqrimj$v7u$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361003 |
On 2015-08-16 10:55 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal >>>> level, >>> >>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >> >> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal >> level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is >> the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even >> when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life >> for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no >> exception for everybody. It's universal. > > [...] > >>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >>> >>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >>> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. >> >> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps >> you need to look within yourself and your life in order to >> understand what I'm talking about. > > This is where I stop talking to you. You've played the smarmy "If > you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me" > card one time too many. > > -- wds > Now you misunderstood me. That was an honest suggestion.
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| From | John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <YOkZmLA4JL0VFwc1@hotmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #360983 |
In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> writes >On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> William December Starr wrote: >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>> worship the God of living. >>>> >>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >>> >>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >> >> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. > >That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >yourself an atheist. So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. > When you don't live your life for the God within >you, you always suffer in life. But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody 'always suffers'. You are just talking rubbish. >There is no exception for everybody. >It's universal. > >> >> [...] >> >>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >> >> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. > >I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you >need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what >I'm talking about. > >> >> -- wds >> > -- John Ritson
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqrjaf$1pm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361007 |
On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: > In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> > writes >> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>> >>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >>>> >>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>> >>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >> >> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >> yourself an atheist. > So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >> When you don't live your life for the God within >> you, you always suffer in life. > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody > 'always suffers'. > You are just talking rubbish. No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. >> There is no exception for everybody. >> It's universal. > > >> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >>> >>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >>> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. >> >> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you >> need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what >> I'm talking about. >> >>> >>> -- wds >>> >> >
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3e30oFtna2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #361053 |
On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: >> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >> writes >>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory >>>>>> though. >>>>> >>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>>> >>>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >>> >>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >>> yourself an atheist. >> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >>> When you don't live your life for the God within >>> you, you always suffer in life. > >> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody >> 'always suffers'. >> You are just talking rubbish. > > No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The > reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our > lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, > peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we > wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without > happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them before hitting "send". As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you should chat to a Hasidim sometime. They do truly make a concerted effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit. Even they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt imposes suffering.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqt4fs$ecc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361088 |
On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote: > On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: >>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >>> writes >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory >>>>>>> though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>>>> >>>>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >>>> >>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal >>>> level. >>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >>>> yourself an atheist. >>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >>>> When you don't live your life for the God within >>>> you, you always suffer in life. >> >>> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody >>> 'always suffers'. >>> You are just talking rubbish. >> >> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The >> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our >> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, >> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we >> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without >> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. > > If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper > etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below > the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them > before hitting "send". Sure. Not a problem for me. I will try to do that. > > As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you > should chat to a Hasidim sometime. They do truly make a concerted > effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist > their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit. Even > they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt > imposes suffering. As far as I know, there is no commandment from the God of living. For the God of killing? it may be another matter. However, there is the edge of the cliff one is advised not to step over, but that is something only for specific individual under special circumstances. It's not everyday for someone to wandering on a cliff.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqke7b$vf2$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #360583 |
On 2015-08-13 10:36 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: > On 8/13/2015 5:34 AM, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-13 07:47 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>>>>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>>>>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>>>>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>>>>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil >>>>>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >>>>> >>>>> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to >>>>> all people. >>>> >>>> For example? >>> >>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which >>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, >>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) >> >> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to worship >> the God of living. > > You contradicted yourself. First you said living is its own purpose, > then you said the purpose of living is to worship "god" > No, that's not what I meant. Living life is indeed a great purpose. For people who live their life with a great purpose, they make such great purpose itself a god or God. That purpose IS their god/God. Therefore, any atheists who have a purpose in life have a god/God they either consciously or unconsciously serve and follow. Those, who don't have any purpose at all, can be considered zombies... :-)
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqe87g$dju$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #360405 |
In article <mqe23c$h09$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and > how a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of > God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". Proof-by-proclamation doesn't really work, you know. Nor for that matter does proof-by-I-really-really-personally-believe-this. -- wds
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