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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote:
> On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote:
>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote:
>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
>>> writes
>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to
>>>>>>>> worship the God of living.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me,
>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of
>>>>>>> something.  That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody
>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level,
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't.  You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so
>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself.
>>>>
>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal
>>>> level.
>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of
>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call
>>>> yourself an atheist.
>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God.
>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within
>>>> you, you always suffer in life.
>>
>>> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody
>>> 'always suffers'.
>>> You are just talking rubbish.
>>
>> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The
>> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our
>> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness,
>> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we
>> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without
>> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering.
>
> If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper
> etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below
> the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them
> before hitting "send".

Sure. Not a problem for me. I will try to do that.

>
> As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you
> should chat to a Hasidim sometime.  They do truly make a concerted
> effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist
> their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit.  Even
> they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt
> imposes suffering.

As far as I know, there is no commandment from the God of living. For 
the God of killing? it may be another matter. However, there is the edge 
of the cliff one is advised not to step over, but that is something only 
for specific individual under special circumstances. It's not everyday 
for someone to wandering on a cliff.

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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800

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