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| Started by | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:25 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 15:56 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:39 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:46 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 00:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:22 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 06:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:35 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 12:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-22 14:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-23 10:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 16:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-24 17:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-25 16:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-26 10:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-27 07:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 22:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 01:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 13:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 00:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 12:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-23 15:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-08-23 20:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 05:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 12:45 -0700
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:46 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-28 07:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-15 15:17 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 12:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-11 20:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800 |
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On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>> >>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>> >>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >> >> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >> by being wilfully blind? >> >> > > Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I > am not here physically. > > I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept > that which has no supporting evidence. > And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on your part.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400 |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>> >>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>> >>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>> by being wilfully blind? >>> >>> >> >> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >> am not here physically. >> >> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >> that which has no supporting evidence. >> > >And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >your part. You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to do with either accuracy or reality. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| Date | 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800 |
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On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>> >>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>> >>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>> am not here physically. >>> >>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>> >> >> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >> your part. > > You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to > do with either accuracy or reality. In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining the truth and reality. You can not imagine the possibility that what you see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a character in <The Matrix>.
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>> >>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>> >>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>> am not here physically. >>>> >>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>> >>> >>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>> your part. >> >> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >> do with either accuracy or reality. > >In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >the truth and reality. No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. > You can not imagine the possibility that what you >see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >character in <The Matrix>. A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr9bm0$nlp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361512 |
On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>>> am not here physically. >>>>> >>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>> your part. >>> >>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>> do with either accuracy or reality. >> >> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >> the truth and reality. > > No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. Science itself is based on a set of beliefs. For you to believe what science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing? > >> You can not imagine the possibility that what you >> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >> character in <The Matrix>. > > A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? > That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing in science.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <49vitapqil59ldee0o9a45rlk11fp4kkpn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361515 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:26:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr9bm0$nlp$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>>>> am not here physically. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>> your part. >>>> >>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>> >>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>> the truth and reality. >> >> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. > >Science itself is based on a set of beliefs Which an be verified at will. >. For you to believe what >science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing? Those create a false reality. > >> >>> You can not imagine the possibility that what you >>> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >>> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >>> character in <The Matrix>. >> >> A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? >> > >That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing >in science. Yep, the best you can do. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361607 |
On 2015-08-23 03:59 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:26:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr9bm0$nlp$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>>>>> am not here physically. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>> your part. >>>>> >>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>> >>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>> the truth and reality. >>> >>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >> >> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs > > Which an be verified at will. Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You can only believe that it is real.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4dktatt9qt2dbap9ovhid6d1h87ug8j1e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361612 |
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>> your part. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>> >>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>> the truth and reality. >>>> >>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>> >>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >> >> Which an be verified at will. > >Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >can only believe that it is real. I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is more than your philosophy can do. I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a tall building. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361626 |
On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>> >>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>> >>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>> >>> Which an be verified at will. >> >> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >> can only believe that it is real. > > I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is > more than your philosophy can do. > > I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe > in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my > wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a > tall building. You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical world is real.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jidntatrp6hdsksjj0vbhmioi875spc8ja@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361707 |
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>> >>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>> >>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>> >>>> Which an be verified at will. >>> >>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>> can only believe that it is real. >> >> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >> more than your philosophy can do. >> >> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >> tall building. > >You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >world is real. At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to go. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361762 |
On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>> >>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>> >>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>> can only believe that it is real. >>> >>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>> more than your philosophy can do. >>> >>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>> tall building. >> >> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >> world is real. > > At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For > example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, > occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago > and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. > Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not > it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it > was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? > > Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the > only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to > go. So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses want you to believe. You have no other means to verify such belief. As long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, you would still believe it's the truth.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qhrqta1bh6mjibecv53v63olb83hpi0498@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361855 |
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:45:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>> >>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>> >>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>> >>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>> >>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>> tall building. >>> >>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>> world is real. >> >> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >> >> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >> go. > >So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >want you to believe. Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. > You have no other means to verify such belief. As >long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >you would still believe it's the truth. You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrkph0$982$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361881 |
On 2015-08-26 03:45 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:45:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>> >>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>> >>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>> tall building. >>>> >>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>> world is real. >>> >>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>> >>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>> go. >> >> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >> want you to believe. > > Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of > the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon > any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. > >> You have no other means to verify such belief. As >> long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >> you would still believe it's the truth. > > You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- Just want to show why physical science is also based on belief.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <be9stalqu7pnqvfa62uibksai8g7jfrite@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361900 |
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:31:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrkph0$982$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-26 03:45 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:45:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>>> >>>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>>> tall building. >>>>> >>>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>>> world is real. >>>> >>>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>>> >>>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>>> go. >>> >>> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >>> want you to believe. >> >> Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of >> the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon >> any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. > >As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. It works for me. > >> >>> You have no other means to verify such belief. As >>> long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >>> you would still believe it's the truth. >> >> You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- > >Just want to show why physical science is also based on belief. Nope. Trial and error applied logically. Belief is entirely irrelevant. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrmlpp$6pf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #361928 |
On 2015-08-27 04:48 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:31:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrkph0$982$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-26 03:45 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:45:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mriuj0$iak$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-25 08:32 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:40:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrfir3$rfd$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-24 05:04 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:17:09 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch1l$79g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>>>> tall building. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>>>> world is real. >>>>> >>>>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>>>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>>>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>>>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>>>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>>>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>>>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>>>> >>>>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>>>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>>>> go. >>>> >>>> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >>>> want you to believe. >>> >>> Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of >>> the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon >>> any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. >> >> As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. > > It works for me. It's all because you actually believe it. > >> >>> >>>> You have no other means to verify such belief. As >>>> long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >>>> you would still believe it's the truth. >>> >>> You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- >> >> Just want to show why physical science is also based on belief. > > Nope. Trial and error applied logically. > > Belief is entirely irrelevant. Once again, you forgot every trial and error all started with the assumption that the universe is real. When it's an assumption you can't really verify, then it is a belief.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <f2tuta1m1eh9s6fgg5i2u01f2tmm3o6d7p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #361968 |
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:46 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpp$6pf$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>>>>> tall building. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>>>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>>>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>>>>> world is real. >>>>>> >>>>>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>>>>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>>>>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>>>>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>>>>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>>>>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>>>>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>>>>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>>>>> go. >>>>> >>>>> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >>>>> want you to believe. >>>> >>>> Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of >>>> the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon >>>> any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. >>> >>> As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. >> >> It works for me. > >It's all because you actually believe it. Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have any kind of a belief about it. If I believe something does not exist does that make it not exist? Does gravity exist because I believe it does? If I believe it does not can I safely jump off a building with no result? If such a jump kills me and thus ends my existence what does that mean? If reality is only a belief and I don't believe in what kills me? > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> You have no other means to verify such belief. As >>>>> long as your physical senses are consistent, even when they are lying, >>>>> you would still believe it's the truth. >>>> >>>> You are entering into the arena of useless speculation.- >>> >>> Just want to show why physical science is also based on belief. >> >> Nope. Trial and error applied logically. >> >> Belief is entirely irrelevant. > >Once again, you forgot every trial and error all started with the >assumption that the universe is real. When it's an assumption you can't >really verify, then it is a belief. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #362016 |
On 2015-08-28 04:41 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:46 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpp$6pf$2@dont-email.me> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth and reality. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which an be verified at will. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not really. How do you prove the physical world is real? You can't. You >>>>>>>>>> can only believe that it is real. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can perform repetitious actions and predict the results. That is >>>>>>>>> more than your philosophy can do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I interact with the world and it really doesn't care whether I believe >>>>>>>>> in any particular part of it or not. I can believe I can flap my >>>>>>>>> wings and fly but I had better not test that belief from the top of a >>>>>>>>> tall building. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have not answered my question. You are using the laws of the >>>>>>>> physical world to prove the physical world is real. You ignore the fact >>>>>>>> the all physical laws are based on the assumption that the physical >>>>>>>> world is real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At some point it is necessary to make certain assumptions. For >>>>>>> example, it is possible the entire universe complete with history, >>>>>>> occupants and the necessary memories were all created 10 seconds ago >>>>>>> and there is no possible way to prove this did or did not happen. >>>>>>> Since it would be useless to speculate on whether that is true or not >>>>>>> it obviously leaves only one course of action - to proceed as if it >>>>>>> was not so created Of course, it really doesn't matter does it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Likewise a working hypothesis that the physical world is real is the >>>>>>> only reasonable course of action. To do otherwise leaves nowhere to >>>>>>> go. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you admit you have no choice but to believe what your physical senses >>>>>> want you to believe. >>>>> >>>>> Belief really doesn't enter into it. I can verify the existence of >>>>> the physical world at any time. By repeatable experimentation upon >>>>> any part of it, and obtaining the expected results. >>>> >>>> As I said, you have confidence in what your physical senses tell you. >>> >>> It works for me. >> >> It's all because you actually believe it. > > Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am > curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely > new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or > not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have > any kind of a belief about it. If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can verify its existence. > > If I believe something does not exist does that make it not exist? If something does not exist, you would not need to disbelieve its existence in the first place. It would never be part of your consciousness. > Does gravity exist because I believe it does? If I believe it does > not can I safely jump off a building with no result? Gravity has already been confirmed by your own physical senses. Believing its non-existence will not change that. In other word, your physical senses already believed its existence. You would not be able to change their belief. > > If such a jump kills me and thus ends my existence what does that > mean? If reality is only a belief and I don't believe in what kills > me? It would be your own wishful thinking that kills you. When you jump off a building, you are asking the physical world to confirm that the belief of your physical senses is true. The physical world honoured your request, so you would not have the chance to disbelieve its existence. The Matrix does not take insubordination lightly.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <b0o0ua97cov33e86r53eli2nh8sq2alhpv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #362051 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> It's all because you actually believe it. >> >> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am >> curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely >> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or >> not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have >> any kind of a belief about it. > >If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have >mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has >become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can >verify its existence. Nonsense. People talk about things that don't exist frequently. The Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction. The list is large. > >> >> If I believe something does not exist does that make it not exist? > >If something does not exist, you would not need to disbelieve its >existence in the first place. It would never be part of your consciousness. It can be a part of my consciousness and still not exist. > >> Does gravity exist because I believe it does? If I believe it does >> not can I safely jump off a building with no result? > >Gravity has already been confirmed by your own physical senses. >Believing its non-existence will not change that. In other word, your >physical senses already believed its existence. You would not be able to >change their belief. Does it's existence depend on some belief of mine? Without that belief would it still exist? > >> >> If such a jump kills me and thus ends my existence what does that >> mean? If reality is only a belief and I don't believe in what kills >> me? > >It would be your own wishful thinking that kills you. When you jump off >a building, you are asking the physical world to confirm that the belief >of your physical senses is true. The physical world honoured your >request, so you would not have the chance to disbelieve its existence. >The Matrix does not take insubordination lightly. So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrr8pb$rul$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #362087 |
On 2015-08-28 09:25 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>> It's all because you actually believe it. >>> >>> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief. I am >>> curious. If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely >>> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or >>> not exist? Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have >>> any kind of a belief about it. >> >> If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have >> mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has >> become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can >> verify its existence. > > Nonsense. People talk about things that don't exist frequently. The > Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction. The list is large. They are talking about things they know they don't exist. You are talking about a thing that exists but no one knows. You neglected yourself being the one who actually knows. The fact you know it exists has ensured its existence. For me, I have to check to find out whether you are lying or not. So its existence is uncertain. > >> >>> >>> If I believe something does not exist does that make it not exist? >> >> If something does not exist, you would not need to disbelieve its >> existence in the first place. It would never be part of your consciousness. > > It can be a part of my consciousness and still not exist. That would be imagination. > >> >>> Does gravity exist because I believe it does? If I believe it does >>> not can I safely jump off a building with no result? >> >> Gravity has already been confirmed by your own physical senses. >> Believing its non-existence will not change that. In other word, your >> physical senses already believed its existence. You would not be able to >> change their belief. > > Does it's existence depend on some belief of mine? Without that > belief would it still exist? The existence of gravity depends on what your consciousness truly tells you. It's not something that you can change with your mind. > >> >>> >>> If such a jump kills me and thus ends my existence what does that >>> mean? If reality is only a belief and I don't believe in what kills >>> me? >> >> It would be your own wishful thinking that kills you. When you jump off >> a building, you are asking the physical world to confirm that the belief >> of your physical senses is true. The physical world honoured your >> request, so you would not have the chance to disbelieve its existence. >> The Matrix does not take insubordination lightly. > > So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so. No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, but it does not mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life.
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| From | Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mrrf2l$b2q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #362161 |
> No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, So stop drinking and eating. > but it does not mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not > real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life. So drink and eat, just to be safe... Kool! -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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