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Re: pycharm package in debian

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Le 1 oct. 2017 15:53, "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> a écrit :

On 2017-10-01 08:26, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
> May I ask what would be the benefit for pycharm to be in Debian, when we
> already have the official Jetbrains Toolbox App or the snap package as
means
> to install and update the application?

I usually start to use software, when it arrives in Debian.
Or I package it. If there is some snap or other third party
package, I'm unsure how to work with it:


You mean the average user cannot use Google? The installation instructions
on Jetbrain's website sounds pretty clear to me, so is installing a snap
package.


How to install? How to uninstall? How to report bugs and to
whom? How to download the source code and rebuild it? Is it
DFSG-free anyway? (Does it already build reproducible?)


You and I care about these things as Debian contributors. The average Joe
however usually does not.


There is nothing wrong with having snap or other packages
available, but I'm not their target audience. But I'm an Emacs
- and vi! - user anyway :~)


Whatever works for you. Actually, vim can be turned into a fine Python
editor.


Another question is, how much work it will be and whether it is
worth the effort, esp. permanent maintenance. But if somebody
wants to do it, why not?


Most likely a lot. We are talking about a large application with probably
quite a few dependencies in Java / Kotlin.

Why not? Because failure to commit to regular updates would feed the
current narrative that Debian ships old and loosely maintained software.
Especially when there are other means of installing the software which are
officially documented upstream.

I have been there with packages I personally maintain (spyder for
instance), and I am raising these concerns out of my own experience and
feedback from existing users. Feel free to disregard.

Ghis

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pycharm package in debian kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-09-30 14:30 +0200
  Re: pycharm package in debian Yaroslav Halchenko <yoh@onerussian.com> - 2017-09-30 15:40 +0200
  Re: pycharm package in debian Julien Puydt <julien.puydt@laposte.net> - 2017-09-30 16:40 +0200
    Re: pycharm package in debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 03:40 +0200
      Re: pycharm package in debian Ghislain Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 09:30 +0200
        Re: pycharm package in debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 09:40 +0200
          Re: pycharm package in debian Ghislain Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 09:50 +0200
            Re: pycharm package in debian Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 10:50 +0200
              Re: pycharm package in debian Ghislain Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 11:10 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 11:50 +0200
            Re: pycharm package in debian Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 21:40 +0200
              Re: pycharm package in debian Ghislain Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 22:10 +0200
              Re: pycharm package in debian Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 00:00 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 10:40 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 10:50 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-10-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2017-10-04 23:50 +0200
                Re: pycharm package in debian Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2017-10-05 01:10 +0200
        Re: pycharm package in debian "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 17:00 +0200
          Re: pycharm package in debian Ghislain Vaillant <ghisvail@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 18:20 +0200
            Re: pycharm package in debian "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 18:40 +0200
              Re: pycharm package in debian Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 00:10 +0200
              Re: pycharm package in debian Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 00:10 +0200
          Re: pycharm package in debian Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 20:20 +0200
            Re: pycharm package in debian "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 23:20 +0200
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              Re: snap in debian Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2017-10-04 23:10 +0200
              Re: snap in debian Michael Hudson-Doyle <michael.hudson@canonical.com> - 2017-10-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: snap in debian Michael Hudson-Doyle <michael.hudson@canonical.com> - 2017-10-09 01:50 +0200
                Re: snap in debian Michael Hudson-Doyle <michael.hudson@canonical.com> - 2017-10-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: snap in debian Michael Hudson-Doyle <michael.hudson@canonical.com> - 2017-10-09 03:20 +0200
                Re: snap in debian Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2017-10-15 04:30 +0200
        Re: pycharm package in debian kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-10-02 02:30 +0200

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