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  FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-17 17:36 +0000
    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-06-17 12:58 -0500
    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-06-17 13:53 -0500
      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-17 20:25 +0000
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-17 22:16 +0100
          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-06-17 17:26 -0500
            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2000@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 13:41 +0000
              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-25 15:49 +0200
                Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-25 14:20 +0000
                  Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-25 16:30 +0200
                    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-25 11:31 -0400
                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-25 11:58 -0400
                        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-25 12:34 -0400
                          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-25 13:20 -0400
                            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-25 15:51 -0400
                              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-25 16:51 -0400
                                Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-25 17:24 -0400
                                Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-26 08:27 -0400
                                  Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2000@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 13:25 +0000
                                    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-26 12:16 -0400
                                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2000@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 17:29 +0000
                                  Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-26 09:42 -0400
                                    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-26 11:55 -0400
                                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-26 12:55 -0400
                                        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-26 19:28 -0400
                                          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-06-26 20:04 -0400
                                            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-26 20:54 -0400
                                              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-06-26 22:05 -0400
                                                Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-27 07:33 -0400
                                                  Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-27 13:55 +0200
                                              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-27 07:32 -0400
                                            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-27 07:15 -0400
                                        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-06-27 13:18 +0100
                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-25 23:07 +0000
                        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-06-25 21:21 -0400
                          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-26 05:38 +0100
                          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2000@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 13:18 +0000
                            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2013-06-26 09:30 -0500
                        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-26 05:32 +0100
                          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2013-06-26 03:49 +0000
                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-06-25 18:55 -0700
                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-06-26 04:50 +0000
                    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2013-06-27 17:55 +0200
                      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-06-27 20:03 +0200
                Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-06-25 13:59 -0500
                  Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-06-25 15:52 -0400
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop buck <buck@private.mil> - 2013-06-18 21:47 +0000
          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-18 22:52 +0000
            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop buck <buck@private.mil> - 2013-06-18 23:02 +0000
            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2013-06-18 16:06 -0700
    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-17 15:41 -0400
      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-17 20:43 +0000
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-06-17 16:19 -0500
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2013-06-17 21:23 +0000
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-20 00:41 +0000
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2013-06-20 18:04 +0000
          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-20 18:36 +0000
          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2000@gmail.com> - 2013-06-25 13:49 +0000
    Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Robert Komar <robk@robpc4.home.org> - 2013-06-26 22:57 -0700
      Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-27 12:19 +0000
        Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-06-27 13:28 -0400
          Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-06-27 19:35 +0000
            Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2013-06-27 21:39 +0200
              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop Robert Komar <robk@robpc4.home.org> - 2013-06-27 20:31 -0700
              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-28 09:45 +0100
              Re: FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2013-06-28 15:36 -0500

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#8492 — FYI: playing encrypted DVDs on yer desktop

I run Slackware.  I truly love it, but like so many longtime Linux
distros, it is DRM'd.  IOW, no decss capability here.  Fear of the
copyright cartels has snipped its multimedia balls.  This is the trend
in long-lived distros not wanting to run afoul of the copyright sharks
that prowl the internet.

My ancient Sony Trinitron (CRT) TV finally went belly up and I now
have no way to watch the Netflix DVDs I'm subscribed to.  What to do.
My DVD player still works, but is too old to have any HDMI or other
current connections and my new 24" Acer flat panel monitor has no old
interfaces.  Again, what to do?  Tried installing a Slack pkg of VLC, but
gave up after 60+ pkgs and another 20-30 to go.  Screw that.  

Fortunately, there are some pirates afoot and they DO have the balls
and they do deliver.  The one I found is LiMP 2.5.  A mere 120M liveCD
and has all that decss stuff.  Includes xine and mplayer.  I've found
xine to me the better player, though they both work.  I notice LiMP
2.5 hasn't been updated since 2007.  Why?  Fear of Sharks?  Perhaps,
but what they left works.  My old P4 mobo with a mere .87G RAM works
damn good if the disc is in good shape.  Even the menu options work by
way of mouse clicks.  I'm amazed.  Burn it with K3B and beat the
sharks.

Dwnld the 2.5 zip file and unzip the iso and burn to DVD.  The 1.7 version does NOT
work.  Ignore it.  

http://tinyurl.com/n5zojy6 

NO!! ....I'm not ripping or copying.  Jes happy to be able to view the
DVDs I pay to watch on my superior computer monitor.  (BTW, much to my
surprise, the monitor aspect ratio works perfectly all by itself)  ;)

nb

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#8493

At 17 Jun 2013 17:36:30 GMT notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:

> 
> I run Slackware.  I truly love it, but like so many longtime Linux
> distros, it is DRM'd.  IOW, no decss capability here.  Fear of the
> copyright cartels has snipped its multimedia balls.  This is the trend
> in long-lived distros not wanting to run afoul of the copyright sharks
> that prowl the internet.
> 
> My ancient Sony Trinitron (CRT) TV finally went belly up and I now
> have no way to watch the Netflix DVDs I'm subscribed to.  What to do.
> My DVD player still works, but is too old to have any HDMI or other
> current connections and my new 24" Acer flat panel monitor has no old
> interfaces.  Again, what to do?  Tried installing a Slack pkg of VLC, but
> gave up after 60+ pkgs and another 20-30 to go.  Screw that.  
> 
> Fortunately, there are some pirates afoot and they DO have the balls
> and they do deliver.  The one I found is LiMP 2.5.  A mere 120M liveCD
> and has all that decss stuff.  Includes xine and mplayer.  I've found
> xine to me the better player, though they both work.  I notice LiMP
> 2.5 hasn't been updated since 2007.  Why?  Fear of Sharks?  Perhaps,
> but what they left works.  My old P4 mobo with a mere .87G RAM works
> damn good if the disc is in good shape.  Even the menu options work by
> way of mouse clicks.  I'm amazed.  Burn it with K3B and beat the
> sharks.

I run CentOS 5.9 (based on RHEL 5.9).  The RPMForge repo includes mplayer, 
which has libdecss statically linked in.  I can even play *European* (Region 
2) DVDs!  I believe there exists out there built binaries of mplayer that can 
be installed on Slack.

> 
> Dwnld the 2.5 zip file and unzip the iso and burn to DVD.  The 1.7 version does NOT
> work.  Ignore it.  
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/n5zojy6 
> 
> NO!! ....I'm not ripping or copying.  Jes happy to be able to view the
> DVDs I pay to watch on my superior computer monitor.  (BTW, much to my
> surprise, the monitor aspect ratio works perfectly all by itself)  ;)
> 
> nb
>                                                                               

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#8494

On 2013-06-17, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
> I run Slackware.  I truly love it, but like so many longtime Linux
> distros, it is DRM'd.  IOW, no decss capability here.  Fear of the
> copyright cartels has snipped its multimedia balls.  This is the trend
> in long-lived distros not wanting to run afoul of the copyright sharks
> that prowl the internet.

    If you are running Slackware then you can find and build decss or any
other software you might want that isn't spoon fed to you.

    Non problem solved.

[deletia]

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#8496

On 2013-06-17, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

>     If you are running Slackware then you can find and build decss or any
> other software you might want that isn't spoon fed to you.
>
>     Non problem solved.

Prob solved, my ass!

Go to Slacky (recommended by VideoLAN).  Count the depenze pkgs.  I
quit at 50+.  Install abob's VLC build.  Sorry.  It does NOT play
encrypted DVDs!  This all on a stk 13.37 install that's worked fine
fer a yr.

I got yer "spoon fed" hangin'!

nb

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#8498

On 17/06/13 21:25, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-06-17, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>>      If you are running Slackware then you can find and build decss or any
>> other software you might want that isn't spoon fed to you.
>>
>>      Non problem solved.
> Prob solved, my ass!
>
> Go to Slacky (recommended by VideoLAN).  Count the depenze pkgs.  I
> quit at 50+.  Install abob's VLC build.  Sorry.  It does NOT play
> encrypted DVDs!  This all on a stk 13.37 install that's worked fine
> fer a yr.
>
> I got yer "spoon fed" hangin'!
>
> nb
>
I think you need libdvdcss or something. Its ahem. Widely available, 
just not necessarily in yer distro

Its the 'cracker' for MOST encrypted/regionalised DVDS.

http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/libraries/libdvdcss/

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#8501

On 2013-06-17, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/06/13 21:25, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-06-17, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>
>>>      If you are running Slackware then you can find and build decss or any
>>> other software you might want that isn't spoon fed to you.
>>>
>>>      Non problem solved.
>> Prob solved, my ass!
>>
>> Go to Slacky (recommended by VideoLAN).  Count the depenze pkgs.  I
>> quit at 50+.  Install abob's VLC build.  Sorry.  It does NOT play
>> encrypted DVDs!  This all on a stk 13.37 install that's worked fine

   I could write a script or possibly even do an xargs one-liner to use
ldd to query what my media player of choice is using and tarball that 
whole thing up for you as a "MacOS style package".

   It's not the distribution.

   It's the end user.

   Any distribution is just a collection of upstream packages and perhaps
a method of spoon feeding those packages to the end user.

   Download the source and stop being a helpless idiot.

   A slack user that can't sort themselves out is an embarrasment, a poser troll, or both.

>> fer a yr.
>>
>> I got yer "spoon fed" hangin'!
>>
>> nb
>>
> I think you need libdvdcss or something. Its ahem. Widely available, 
> just not necessarily in yer distro
>
> Its the 'cracker' for MOST encrypted/regionalised DVDS.

   It's the missing bit that may of the fancier distributions require
you to manually download from some 3rd party source. Of course this is
all pretty trivial to determine even with the most incompetent attempts
at using Google.

>
> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/libraries/libdvdcss/
>

   If you can't play a DVD, you don't really want to.

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#8576

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:26:17 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:


>    Download the source and stop being a helpless idiot.
> 
>    A slack user that can't sort themselves out is an embarrasment, a
>    poser troll, or both.
> 

I thought much the same thing. The guy claims he has been using Slackware 
for 13 years and he's not able to figure out how to play DVDs?

Something very fishy about that one... (flatfishy?)

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#8577

On Tuesday 25 June 2013 15:41, Soupe du Jour conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.hardware...

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:26:17 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> 
> 
>>    Download the source and stop being a helpless idiot.
>> 
>>    A slack user that can't sort themselves out is an embarrasment, a
>>    poser troll, or both.
>> 
> 
> I thought much the same thing. The guy claims he has been using
> Slackware for 13 years and he's not able to figure out how to play
> DVDs?
> 
> Something very fishy about that one... (flatfishy?)

Nah, "notbob" is just an old geezer.  He's been posting to the Slackware 
group for ages.  He's definitely not flatfish+++.

-- 
= Aragorn =
  GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net

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#8580

On 2013-06-25, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

> Nah, "notbob" is just an old geezer.  He's been posting to the Slackware 
> group for ages.  He's definitely not flatfish+++.

flatfish.  Ha!  Now there's a nick I've not heard in ages.  ;)

Yeah, I'm jes an oldster who's tired of sloggin' thru a jillion
depenzes.  Slack is great for a lotta things, but multimedia is not
one of them.  Pat is rather gun shy when it comes to even hinting at
the impropriety of copyright infringement.  Fine.  His choice, his
distro.  Mine is to watch a dvd.  Yeah, I could download and install
80+ pkgs or dig thru the landslide of recommended depenze and
pick-choose the right one.  I can also find an easier way, which I
did.  As slack veterans also say, "ask how, get 8 diff correct
answers".

BTW, using slack does not automatically make one a guru.  I may know
more than the avg screwbu user, but I'm no linux expert.  Not by a
damn sight.  I can compile from source, but I've yet to compile a
single kernel.  I use slackware linux cuz it gives me full control
and it's actually pretty simple and straightforward, not cuz I wanna
aspire to Mr Knowitall.  

BTW, thnx for the defenze, Aragorn.  ;)

nb   

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#8582

On Tuesday 25 June 2013 16:20, notbob conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.misc...

> On 2013-06-25, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Nah, "notbob" is just an old geezer.  He's been posting to the
>> Slackware group for ages.  He's definitely not flatfish+++.
> 
> flatfish.  Ha!  Now there's a nick I've not heard in ages.  ;)

Oh, I regularly see him show up in troll threads which are cross-posted 
to any of the groups I'm in, but I always hit "I" (for "ignore thread") 
in my newsreader whenever I see a thread from C.O.L.A. being cross-
posted again.  (My newsreader doesn't do filtering on the "Groups" 
field.)

> Yeah, I'm jes an oldster who's tired of sloggin' thru a jillion
> depenzes.  Slack is great for a lotta things, but multimedia is not
> one of them.  Pat is rather gun shy when it comes to even hinting at
> the impropriety of copyright infringement.  Fine.  His choice, his
> distro.  Mine is to watch a dvd.  Yeah, I could download and install
> 80+ pkgs or dig thru the landslide of recommended depenze and
> pick-choose the right one.  I can also find an easier way, which I
> did.  As slack veterans also say, "ask how, get 8 diff correct
> answers".
> 
> BTW, using slack does not automatically make one a guru.  I may know
> more than the avg screwbu user, but I'm no linux expert.  Not by a
> damn sight.  I can compile from source, but I've yet to compile a
> single kernel.

I've done some minor compiling of userspace software here and there, but 
I've already built many kernels, and I got it right on the first try.  
Actually, /compiling/ it took far less time than /configuring/ it. ;-)

(I haven't built any kernels anymore recently, but building a kernel on 
my twin AMD Opteron dual-core ccNUMA took about 50 seconds with "-j5". 
;-)

> I use slackware linux cuz it gives me full control and it's actually
> pretty simple and straightforward, not cuz I wanna aspire to Mr
> Knowitall.

I've used a few different distros over the years, on both servers and 
workstations.  It's not my intent to actually study the operating system 
anymore either.  I know what I need to know.  I'm just using GNU/Linux 
now, simply because it's the best operating system out there. ;-)

Doesn't mean I never learn anything new anymore, though.  There are 
still a few things I want to get the hang of.  awk for instance. ;-)

> BTW, thnx for the defenze, Aragorn.  ;)

No problem, buddy. :-)

-- 
= Aragorn =
  GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net

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#8583

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:30:18 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
[putolin]


>  I'm just using GNU/Linux
> now, simply because it's the best operating system out there. ;-)

Not for me, linux is getting to be a big pain in the ass.  It is getting 
more like microsoft windows every day. except instead of update once a 
week as in ms windows it's update nearly every day in linux.  Hell even 
autotools had two new versions in a Week!


I have been using linux since Redhat 4.0, no that is NOT RHEL either.
Since most of the distros sufficently pisses me off and there are no 
great distros any more I am building my own.  I have built scratch built 
servers systems since LFS-3.0.  I am going to build both server and 
desktop system and if I tire of that well it's BSD for me.
I am almost ready to throw the towel in and move to BSD.

jesus Gnome, KDE4, consolekit, polkit(polecat actually),python2 and 3, 
selinux, pylmouth, pulseaudio and now systemd....... makes me puke.  Shit 
that use to work is now borked beyond fixing just because all the "newer 
generation programmers" have the need to change things because they can 
not if they should.  Linux dependency hell is 1000% WORST than ms windows 
ever was.  You have things depending on other things results in circular 
dependences that can't be easily satisfied.

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#8584

Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:

> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:30:18 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> [putolin]
>
>
>>  I'm just using GNU/Linux
>> now, simply because it's the best operating system out there. ;-)
>
> Not for me, linux is getting to be a big pain in the ass.  It is getting 
> more like microsoft windows every day. except instead of update once a 
> week as in ms windows it's update nearly every day in linux.  Hell even 
> autotools had two new versions in a Week!

I fail to see the problem.
Update as infrequently as you want.
Unlike MSFT, reboots are never required
unless you feel an overriding need to run the updated kernel.

I usually update every month or so.

Unlike my corporate Windows desktop which comes close to requiring an
update with every power on, so I turn the system on, boot up, then I'm
forced to update and boot again.  Nice.

> I have been using linux since Redhat 4.0, no that is NOT RHEL either.
> Since most of the distros sufficently pisses me off and there are no 
> great distros any more I am building my own.  I have built scratch built 
> servers systems since LFS-3.0.  I am going to build both server and 
> desktop system and if I tire of that well it's BSD for me.
> I am almost ready to throw the towel in and move to BSD.
>
> jesus Gnome, KDE4, consolekit, polkit(polecat actually),python2 and 3, 
> selinux, pylmouth, pulseaudio and now systemd....... makes me puke.  Shit 
> that use to work is now borked beyond fixing just because all the "newer 
> generation programmers" have the need to change things because they can 
> not if they should.  Linux dependency hell is 1000% WORST than ms windows 
> ever was.  You have things depending on other things results in circular 
> dependences that can't be easily satisfied.

Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.

Didn't you know that?

You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#8586

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

[putolin]

> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.
> 
> Didn't you know that?
> 
> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.

Only if the packages are binary packages


How does one compile both packages at once with both packages requiring 
the other?

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#8588

Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:

> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
> [putolin]
>
>> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.
>> 
>> Didn't you know that?
>> 
>> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.
>
> Only if the packages are binary packages
>
> How does one compile both packages at once with both packages requiring 
> the other?

Don't know why you're compiling packages,
but I could see how that might be a problem.

Possibly using

make -k install

(the -k is keep going)

and a couple of iterations might get you there.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#8592

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:20:54 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>> [putolin]
>>
>>> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.
>>> 
>>> Didn't you know that?
>>> 
>>> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.
>>
>> Only if the packages are binary packages
>>
>> How does one compile both packages at once with both packages requiring
>> the other?
> 
> Don't know why you're compiling packages,
> but I could see how that might be a problem.

So I can rid the system of hundreds of useless packages.


> 
> Possibly using
> 
> make -k install
> 
> (the -k is keep going)
> 
> and a couple of iterations might get you there.

Not when ./configure barfs it won't

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#8595

Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:

> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:20:54 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>> [putolin]
>>>
>>>> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.
>>>> 
>>>> Didn't you know that?
>>>> 
>>>> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.
>>>
>>> Only if the packages are binary packages
>>>
>>> How does one compile both packages at once with both packages requiring
>>> the other?
>> 
>> Don't know why you're compiling packages,
>> but I could see how that might be a problem.
>
> So I can rid the system of hundreds of useless packages.

To each his own. I guess.
Seems to me like a huge waste of time.
And I still don't see how compiling source is going to change
the equation.  If package A requires package B, compiling source
isn't going to change anything.

I suppose you could configure some things out you don't want.

>> Possibly using
>> 
>> make -k install
>> 
>> (the -k is keep going)
>> 
>> and a couple of iterations might get you there.
>
> Not when ./configure barfs it won't

So, then you're stuck with manually copying some .h files at
minimum.

Hardly seems like something some other distro will solve.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#8596

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Dan Espen wrote:

> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:20:54 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [putolin]
>>>>
>>>>> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at once.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't you know that?
>>>>>
>>>>> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.
>>>>
>>>> Only if the packages are binary packages
>>>>
>>>> How does one compile both packages at once with both packages requiring
>>>> the other?
>>>
>>> Don't know why you're compiling packages,
>>> but I could see how that might be a problem.
>>
>> So I can rid the system of hundreds of useless packages.
>
> To each his own. I guess.
> Seems to me like a huge waste of time.
> And I still don't see how compiling source is going to change
> the equation.  If package A requires package B, compiling source
> isn't going to change anything.
>
> I suppose you could configure some things out you don't want.
>
Fundamental to this is that Slackware is being discussed, and Slackware 
doesn't have everything.  So if it's not part of Slackware, it has to be 
copiled.  Maybe you'l be lucky and find that someone has already compiled 
it out there somewhere, but that isn't always the case, especially not as 
a Slackware package.  Slackware turns 20 next month, but other 
distributions get the attention, and the really large depositories.

   Michael


>>> Possibly using >>> >>> make -k install
>>>
>>> (the -k is keep going)
>>>
>>> and a couple of iterations might get you there.
>>
>> Not when ./configure barfs it won't
>
> So, then you're stuck with manually copying some .h files at
> minimum.
>
> Hardly seems like something some other distro will solve.
>
> -- 
> Dan Espen
>

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#8610

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:51:55 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:20:54 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:04 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [putolin]
>>>>
>>>>> Circular dependencies are solved by installing both packages at
>>>>> once.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Didn't you know that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You shouldn't even notice it if you are just doing an update.
>>>>
>>>> Only if the packages are binary packages
>>>>
>>>> How does one compile both packages at once with both packages
>>>> requiring the other?
>>> 
>>> Don't know why you're compiling packages,
>>> but I could see how that might be a problem.
>>
>> So I can rid the system of hundreds of useless packages.
> 
> To each his own. I guess.
> Seems to me like a huge waste of time.
> And I still don't see how compiling source is going to change the
> equation.  If package A requires package B, compiling source isn't going
> to change anything.
> 

Have you ever built a system from scratch?
By your responses I can tell that you have not.
There are advanages to do so

>> Not when ./configure barfs it won't
> 
> So, then you're stuck with manually copying some .h files at minimum.

What about the libraries and other files it is not just an issue with 
header files.

> Hardly seems like something some other distro will solve.

That is not the point other distros will not solve the issue, only moving 
entirely off of linux will solve the issue.

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#8612

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:27:22 -0400, Octothorpe wrote:


>> Hardly seems like something some other distro will solve.
> 
> That is not the point other distros will not solve the issue, only
> moving entirely off of linux will solve the issue.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass. 

When you then whine about invented problems with Windows or OS X, please 
do so in one of their newsgroups.

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#8617

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:25:05 +0000, Soupe du Jour wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:27:22 -0400, Octothorpe wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Hardly seems like something some other distro will solve.
>> 
>> That is not the point other distros will not solve the issue, only
>> moving entirely off of linux will solve the issue.
> 
> Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Thank you for your snarky reply
You are a big part of the problem.

> 
> When you then whine about invented problems with Windows or OS X, please
> do so in one of their newsgroups.

What are you a cop

You have no power to tell anyone anything

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